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WI Lori

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Today I visited a White FR treadle to help the owner get it going. T-shirt last patent date 1905. (Photo1)

A few issues arose (help!):
We couldn't get the bed lock latch to disengage, allowing us to oil the below deck points. The latch seems to be leaning to the left, with the pin in the hole. I was able to pull the latch up, but it did not release underneath. (Photos 2&3)

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We couldn't pull up the bobbin thread. Checking the manual, it takes a 0 system needle (what is this system called?). The needle in place was a Necchi 16, flat side right. Changing to FSL did not achieve bobbin thread pick up. Some sources suggest a 15 system needle will work. Will it? If so, what does one need to do to set needle correctly? (No photo)

The manual was incomplete and tattered. (I found the #9 book here, and the #11 at Ismacs) Does this threading pattern look correct?

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Lastly, here are the attachments that came with the White when she bought it 30 years ago: I assume the three to the lower left are all tucker parts(?). The seam/quilting guide is missing. The small punch type item (below the screw driver handle) is a 5/64" diameter something or other.

As far as what's under the face plate, and need for oiling: does it need oiling underneath, and if so, how do we safely remove the box like face plate?

Thanks for your help. I did try searching here for answers, but I don't have good luck with that function...

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I may have an extra tucker, smokeythecat is the only one I know here that's removed the front end of a FR White. Might be worth a pm. All my FR -electric- Whites take standard needles. Not sure if that helps or not.
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Originally Posted by WI Lori
Today I visited a White FR treadle to help the owner get it going. T-shirt last patent date 1905. (Photo1)

A few issues arose (help!):
We couldn't get the bed lock latch to disengage, allowing us to oil the below deck points. The latch seems to be leaning to the left, with the pin in the hole. I was able to pull the latch up, but it did not release underneath. (Photos 2&3)


The latch disengages by pushing the knob to the left, towards the needle. Beneath the bed, it is just a shaft with a hook near the end. The hook slips over a flat plate that's mounted below.
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DSCN2361.jpg This is what the latch looks like.
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WI Lori

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Thanks, aircooledaddict!
"The latch disengages by pushing the knob to the left, towards the needle. Beneath the bed, it is just a shaft with a hook near the end."

Mounted to the knob, on the left, is a pin that inserts into the bed. I didn't push the knob left, as the pin didn't appear to have clearance to move. Will have to give that a try. 

Jim, the FR owner is a quilter. I don't know how much tuckering she'll be doing.

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You're welcome. I was puzzled by the latch on the one I had, too.

I managed to remove the plate that it hooks over to get it to disengage before I figured out.
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Lori, The White FR takes a standard 15x1 needle, flat to the right, threaded left to right.  The hand wheel must turn opposite that of a Singer, which may be your problem picking up a thread.  Yes, Take out the screws and remove the faceplate.  Once the screws are removed, you may need to do some wiggling, as there is a pin and a link that must separate, and they are likely dry....be gentle.  When they separate, the needle bar will drop, so best to have the needle removed first.
     There is also plenty to lube below the bed, plus the link and slide bar that are up the column of the sm.
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Thank you, John! Yes, I was turning the handwheel towards me.
As to the needle bar dropping, does that just get reinstalled using finish differences as indicators?

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Lori, the needlebar will not fall out, just slide downward once it is unhooked from the link.  It will assemble only one way.  The trick is to get the peg on the needle bar started into the hole on the link, as the face plate is slid into position.
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The White FR, Wheeler & Wilson D9 and  the Singer 115 all use the same mechanical action to turn the hook.  The hook makes one revolution per stitch but the velocity of the hook is not constant, ....fast, slow, fast slow, with a moment when the hook actually appears to pause.  Other "rotary" hook sm make two turns of the hook per stitch, as does the 201.
      You will be amazed at just how quietly and easily the White FR rotates.  The White FR has no gears at all, While the 201 has six.  One pair of gears is at a 2:1 ratio, a mechanical disadvantage, which causes the hook to turn double speed, which requires more power to operate.
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DSCN2361.jpg This is what the latch looks like.


aircooledaddict, this photo is very helpful. Your latch knob has no bed pin, tho, as this FR knob has a bed pin that inserts into a hole to the left of the knob. This is what made me think the knob must be lifted and turned to release the pin from the hole, then turning, thus allowing the below deck portion of the latch to clear the plate. The plate and flat part if the latch do look as if someone tried to force it.

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John, thank you for the photos and clear explanation. This step looks doable.
Certainly necessary and worthwhile to achieve that light running ease of treadling.

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I've had one apart.  John's explanation is dead on and far better than anything I could have written.  Whites are excellent machines I think the owner will enjoy using it when it's done.
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