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I have this Attachments tin that looks worn copper colored. The attachments are marked WHITE. How might I date this tin?

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As you know, I've been struggling with trying to ID attachment sets, date them, get patent info maybe, etc.  I've trawled through the Smithsonian looking for Singer manuals or other info and not finding much.  I've also recently gone through a LOT of patents, trying to find any patents filed for the tins that contained these attachments.  So far, I've only managed to find 3 patents that relate to tins or boxes.  I've found that the patent info is extremely difficult to find for anything that is really early, like pre-1900s.  A lot of the search fields that help you to find the patents haven't been filled in, so there's no way to find the patent unless you simply bring up every patent filed during a certain time period and look through almost every one of them because they almost always come up without a title.

What you might do is try to look up some of the White manuals on the Smithsonian site or the NeedleBar manuals site.  I think the only way you're going to be able to date this set is to find a manual that shows them.  When I went through the Smithsonian site, I was looking for info on Singer, Greist or Boye.  I wasn't looking for manuals by White, so you just might get lucky.  And, again, the NeedleBar manual site does have quite a few manuals there, too.

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Thanks! I’ve done that looking for Singer information. Now I’ll go back and look for White. Who knows, I might find Singer I’ve overlooked! This reminds me of sleepy scrolls through census microfilms before computer days. Tedious but rewarding when info is unearthed. Thanks for the pointers! Peggy
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...I've also recently gone through a LOT of patents, trying to find any patents filed for the tins that contained these attachments.  So far, I've only managed to find 3 patents that relate to tins or boxes.  I've found that the patent info is extremely difficult to find for anything that is really early, like pre-1900s.  ...


Have you looked through http://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/amd_sewm.pdf  I'm on a different computer,  but it has patents for sewing machines and attachments from 1942-1975

The Smithsonian also has a two volume pdf that lists them according to inventor and something else.  Again, I'm not on my home computer.

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I found "Patent Models Index"  by google search  using the terms - "patent models index" barbara janssen - but when I put links that it took me to, none of them worked.   The Index includes items in addition to sewing machine and associated, but it is searchable.

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Thanks for the link, Janey.  I will definitely check them out.  The problem that I'm having is that when I go to search for patents online, I'm looking for patents that are generally pre-1940s and often pre-1900.  So sometimes the patent might be scanned, but the title is just listed as "No Title Available" or something like that.  And there's no info recorded for the inventor, assignee, etc.  So, my only option left is to go through a specific timeframe and look at every single patent that has been scanned, unless someone has actually entered a title that I can ignore. My eyes are going crossed from a couple of days of this and I've been taking a break.

Is the Patent Models Index a book that shows patents and their titles by date?  If so, that would help if it includes older patents.  If the links no longer work, I'll just use the same "time machine" that I used before to go back to when the links were active and I should be able to get it.

Ericka

Edit:  And I'm also looking more for patents for the tins that hold the attachments rather than the attachments themselves.  I've found lots of attachments patents.  Too many....
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I went through the Patent Models Index book, which can be found here:
https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/9697/scht-0054_Vol1.pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y

Wow, someone spent an extraordinary amount of time going through early patent numbers and putting titles, inventors and years all together.  If I were wanting to see how sewing machine patents were changing in the beginning years, this would be the place to go.  Unfortunately, I didn't find any patents for the boxes or tins that the attachments go into.  There were quite a few attachments patents, but I think most of those patents were never actually produced. 

Right now, my eyes are tired and I'll delve into some of your other suggestions later.

Thanks, Ericka
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