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I'd like to put an honest to goodness Singer hand crank on my "new" 15-88/89 but can't find one on eBay or at Sew Classic or at sewingpartsonline.com. Any other suggestions on where to look? Also, since this machine is not in the best of conditions, would it make more sense to get a reproduction?

I don't actually know if it stitches yet! Jumping the gun, I guess

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A vintage handcrank is not common at all and tends to sell for more than the machine when they do come up for sale.
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I've always been told eBay. Try to be open to overseas sellers and you probably have a better chance.  Someday All Saints will go out of business and there will be thousands of machines released into the wild. 


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I found two currently on eBay. One overseas and one with broken teeth here. I can only imagine what it took to break teeth off a gear like that.
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I've always been told eBay. Try to be open to overseas sellers and you probably have a better chance.  Someday All Saints will go out of business and there will be thousands of machines released into the wild. 



Didn't we see some of their machines at one time in the QB giggles thread - maybe a year or more ago?

Bonanza is another place to try.  It doesn't come up in searches like ebay does (apparently they don't pay for ranking) but there's tons of stuff there too. 

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I also find them occasionally on Etsy.  Search and select the "vintage" option to weed out the modern art..."handcrafted" stuff
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I've always been told eBay. Try to be open to overseas sellers and you probably have a better chance.  Someday All Saints will go out of business and there will be thousands of machines released into the wild. 



Didn't we see some of their machines at one time in the QB giggles thread - maybe a year or more ago?

Bonanza is another place to try.  It doesn't come up in searches like ebay does (apparently they don't pay for ranking) but there's tons of stuff there too. 


I keep an eye on the well being of that company all the time. They have 1100 machines in their Las Vegas store, if you google it ... well, there's a lot.

I have a friend that works in a high end fashion store in Beverly Hills. He just reported to me that one of the nearby AllSaints stores might be ready to fold and he would keep an eye out. Looks like they have about 25 stores. 

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What I wouldn't give to be in a position to catch what they'll be chucking...
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I tried Bonanza and Etsy - no luck unless I want to buy a machine with my hand crank! Has anyone used the reproduction handles? I thought I might try one until I can find a vintage crank, but not if they don't work decently. Also, I saw some on eBay from the UK - also reproduction, but maybe better quality? Anyone know? Keep your eyes open for me!!
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I have a few repro's they are "eh" in my opinion.  They work but not nearly as smooth as an original
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There's a good chance that all of the reproduction hand cranks you're seeing are coming from the same supplier.  Someone mentioned on a fairly recent thread on the QB that the repro handcranks are better than they were.  I didn't really have a problem with the one I bought about 5 years ago.  The finish wasn't as nice but it worked.  It was possibly a little louder but a good greasing of the gears helped that somewhat.

One of the machines I'm liquidating is an original HC but that doesn't help you either - location and you'd still have the spare machine.

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Too bad I can't get to where you live very easily! You're over in Ontario, right? I'm in E Washington. Too far for me to drive, I think!
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Nope, I'm in Central Alberta.  Still a heck of a hike though.
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I have a noisy reproduction crank. I'm going to buy another sooner or later and hope for a better one. It works fine it's just kinda grindy. I've greased the heck out of it too.
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The reproduction hand cranks are a real wild deal. I had two that quacked like ducks. And a lot that are very quiet and reasonably smooth. Usually, I grease them a bit and that helps a bunch just not with the ones that quack.
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I wonder if they'd be worth dis-assembling and filing or smoothing areas that are causing noise?  I don't have mine anymore - my neighbor does and he talked about doing all sorts of mods to his to make it less obviously a repro. I don't know if he ever got around to it though.

Miriam - Quacks? a sound bite or a video or it didn't happen. [rofl]

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Sounds like a freaking duck
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I so want to hear that. [wink]
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I modify them... I go to lowes and buy clear tubing in two sizes. I pull off the cheesy black rubber thing. One 1/2" tube fits the arm nice and snug and the other 1/2" tube piece goes over it to fill in the space between the spokes. I've also sewn leather on there. I like to paint over the decals or scrub them off with solvent in the summer on a windy day... I also open up the gear box and spread some Tri-flo grease. I'm thinking CD paints them to match his machine.
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I think I'll buy the generic new one and modify it like Miriam does.  Thanks, all!
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Duck is an accurate description of the sound.
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Not all are that noisy
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Way to go Margaret.  I really like mine from Sew-Classic.com.  Jenny lubed and inspected it before she sent it to me.  It works great and the quality is fully acceptable. 
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The one have felt like unfinished gears trying to mesh together.   It worked but not smooth or quiet.   I took the plate off that covers the gears and found only a light coating of really filthy metal particle impregnated grease.  I cleaned that out thoroughly and regreased it with Tri-Flow grease.   That helped but not much.  So I cleaned that out and packed it with heavy duty wheel bearing grease.  The black stuff.   That really helped.  The thicker grease cushioned the gear teeth, quieted down the whole thing and now as I've been using it, it's actually smoothing up.
In this case I don't think Tri-Flow was heavy enough.

Also there is at least two oil holes for the shafts that need regular oiling too.

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Thanks for all your helpful input! I've ordered the new hand crank and will try the various methods suggested to make it purr like a kitten instead of quacking like a duck!
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...duck??  I want to hear that now too, lol.

I have a repro crank and mine doesn't quack at all.  I think I'm a little disappointed! It works fine and is not especially noisy, but it does have that "grindy" feel that amcatanzaro described, which is unfortunate because it sort of ruins the lovely glide of the machine itself.  It seems like such a simple device and there's definitely some demand for them; I'm a little surprised nobody is making really good ones.  I guess all that steel isn't cheap, and there's not THAT much of a demand...

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If you have the desire and tools, you can take the hand-crank apart and do the fine finishing work that the Chinese factory could not afford to do at that price point.

polish the teeth and they will run MUCH quieter

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...duck??  I want to hear that now too, lol.

I have a repro crank and mine doesn't quack at all.  I think I'm a little disappointed! It works fine and is not especially noisy, but it does have that "grindy" feel that amcatanzaro described, which is unfortunate because it sort of ruins the lovely glide of the machine itself.  It seems like such a simple device and there's definitely some demand for them; I'm a little surprised nobody is making really good ones.  I guess all that steel isn't cheap, and there's not THAT much of a demand...


Try doing what I described in post #24 above.    Makes a big difference.

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Joe I think I may do that to my Brother hand crank. Since I don't have anything to compare it to, I'm not sure if it's a crappy one or not. I am sure the crank is original to the machine but I believe it's a nostalgia machine from the late 60s-early 70s.

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Try ebay.co.uk - I find a lot of Singer parts on the UK site and I've seen many hand cranks there.

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Where did you finally order your hand crank? I ordered from other items from sewclassic last week. They'd had a sale on the spokes for 12.95 but were temporarily out of stock so I didn't bother ordering the crank. I see the ones on ebay for 23.95 for set. I have a really nice Mitsubishi 15-91 clone without a motor and with the space and bolt for the singer clamp on the side. This machine is in good shape but not worth pouring a lot of money into. I just want something functional for when the power goes out 'cause it happens far too frequent here.

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Hi, Mary! I ordered my Chinese hand crank from a seller on ebay.  It was in a bubble envelope, inside a thin cardboard box.  Looked like badgers had chewed on the box, so I wasn't too happy with that, but the crank was just fine.  They do feel cheap, though.  I think I spent about $16 or so.  Works just fine and my DGD loves playing with it - now to put in some thread and fabric and get her to sew! I chose the cheapest seller on ebay, and  might go a little more expensive in the future to avoid the heart failure that comes with a mangled box.

Isopropyl alcohol will (I hear) take off the Chinese lettering on the hand crank so you can feel it's more authentic.

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Hi, Mary! I ordered my Chinese hand crank from a seller on ebay.  It was in a bubble envelope, inside a thin cardboard box.  Looked like badgers had chewed on the box, so I wasn't too happy with that, but the crank was just fine.  They do feel cheap, though.  I think I spent about $16 or so.  Works just fine and my DGD loves playing with it - now to put in some thread and fabric and get her to sew! I chose the cheapest seller on ebay, and  might go a little more expensive in the future to avoid the heart failure that comes with a mangled box.

Isopropyl alcohol will (I hear) take off the Chinese lettering on the hand crank so you can feel it's more authentic.

Does it quack?

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No, Miriam, no animal sounds at all!
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Put a little grease in there and some plastic tubing and soup it up.
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What, you want it to quack??  It works ok.  I want a real hand crank machine, though, like one of those Frister and R......s(?) can't remember the name! This is fun to play with, though.

Tomorrow, Linus Project Make a Blanket Day with a 7-year-old GD.  Can't wait!

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Who quacking. Drives me nutty. That 7 year old might like a few turns and won't care how old that hand crank might be.
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She loves the hand crank! And she was so good today - I sewed Linus quilts all day and she played in the kids corner of the library.  Made a friend, too!

Sewing on a table where you have to lift your arms to sew - very tiring! I even had a pillow, but wasn't up far enough.  Can't stand up straight, now!

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Do you happen to have a photo of your crank with the tubing and/or leather on it? I put a crank on a 66 yesterday and it's quacking loudly. 

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I modify them... I go to lowes and buy clear tubing in two sizes. I pull off the cheesy black rubber thing. One 1/2" tube fits the arm nice and snug and the other 1/2" tube piece goes over it to fill in the space between the spokes. I've also sewn leather on there. I like to paint over the decals or scrub them off with solvent in the summer on a windy day... I also open up the gear box and spread some Tri-flo grease. I'm thinking CD paints them to match his machine.

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Steve I haven't attempted to take mine apart yet. Can the polishing be done by hand? Product suggestion? 


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I'd like to put an honest to goodness Singer hand crank on my "new" 15-88/89 but can't find one on eBay or at Sew Classic or at sewingpartsonline.com. Any other suggestions on where to look? Also, since this machine is not in the best of conditions, would it make more sense to get a reproduction? I don't actually know if it stitches yet! Jumping the gun, I guess


Hi Margaret:

My friend Dwaine Konshak sells original Singer hand cranks he purchases through a partner in England.  His price is $50 each plus shipping.  Phone number: 920-834-9264. 

I called Dwaine just now to ask permission if I could mention his name and phone number on VSF. 

Several members from VSF have purchased original Singer hand cranks from him.  He will ship it std. postal rate--something like $13.50 ea.  He's a delightful person.



 

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Hi Margaret:

My friend Dwaine Konshak sells original Singer hand cranks he purchases through a partner in England.  His price is $50 each plus shipping.  Phone number: 920-834-9264. 

I called Dwaine just now to ask permission if I could mention his name and phone number on VSF. 

Several members from VSF have purchased original Singer hand cranks from him.  He will ship it std. postal rate--something like $13.50 ea.  He's a delightful person.



 


That is a really good deal!

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I met Dwaine through Linda, and he helped me with a HC for my 115 w/ Tiffany decals. He is a very interesting fellow, and shared much information about his hobbies... vsm hand crank sewing machines, gardening, his apple orchard, car restoration. I did get an amazing inventory tour, as well! That was fun!
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I’ll need to photograph next time I doctor one. The tubing is to space the ‘finger’ between the spokes of the hand wheel. Leather works - looks better but harder to do. The little rubber ring on the finger is what I replaced.

I had a Chinese HC that quacked. It was a high spot on a gear somewhere in the HC. I just filed it off and it quieted down. I opened it up and watched it as it turned and found a spot.

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