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It's rare that I find something on my "want" list.

Right before I went on vacation, a coworker sent me an email that her parents were moving and had to old sewing machines and wanted to know if I could help with value, or if I wanted to purchase.

The one looks like a National (Montgomery Wards badge) machine and the cabinet is missing the drawers,  but the second . . .

There are only a few cabinets I'd still like to get,  and the fake bookcase one what I've seen WW machines in is one -  though this shows a Singer W9 in the bottom.   And it could be that the machine won't actually fit in this cabinet.  

I've been out of the sewing machine market for several years now,  but I know there is almost no market for them in this area  - any ideas of what I should offer?

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Hello,

  Me personally that W9 is worth a bit more than the older D9 machines and it looks like the cabinet is in excellent shape.  I'd be willing to pay 250 to 275 but I'm no appraiser.  Again the cabinet and machine look great.  I don't think there is much in the way of differences between the W9 and the D9 but Miller Fulks is the expert and has his own group.  I think there may have been some changes in the bobbin/case mostly.

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I'm not in a position to offer any advice on price but I LOVE this cabinet!!! 

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Hello,

  Here is a W9 in a book case.  I doubt it is as good of a shape.  Free pickup at 249 dollars.  I believe the 200-250 range is correct.  I've seen cabinets in bad shape but again this one in the picture is a real gem. 

  I own a D9 hand crank and it's an exceptionally well engineered (and running) machine.   

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Wheeler-Wilson-W9-Library-Bookcase-Treadle-Sewing-Machine/153410187267?hash=item23b7f5b003:g:8LMAAOSwZKlcU5Yt
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That is  W&W #9, not the later Singer 9w.  It should fit.  $200 is not unreasonable around here.
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Thanks everyone,   I'll let you know how it goes!   Not that I need another cabinet . . .  but I really do love this one. 
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I saw one of those cabinets at the first or second TOGA I ever went to. I don't remember how much it sold for but I remember thinking that was the most beautiful cabinet I'd ever seen.

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As much as I really want this,  I've had to sit myself down and say "no more machines!". 

It's likely DH and I will be moving before I retire (instead of staying here) and that means most of the machines I currently have will need to go,  so I've got no business buying any more no matter how much I love it.

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Wow...  I totally understand, but that is a shame.  Good on you for making the tough call.
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Ok. I have one of these cabinets with a W&W D9. These days I consider, the condition and how far I have to drive to pick it up. My drive was half an hour on a beautiful Iowa spring day. According to Carter Bays, fewer than 25 are known to exist.

My cabinet was in pretty good shape and was stored in the owner's MIL basement. She moved to assisted living and they were cleaning out her house. Like this cabinet, mine has the "books" (missing the two glass inserts) and the mirror. The machine was typical W&W D9 with most of the pillar decals missing.

During the owner's hippy days (his term), he ended up in Oregon. He went to an auction with friend and brought home what he thought was a nice bookcase. Years later he discovered that the cabinet contained a sewing machine. He managed to keep the cabinet and machine after a divorce and eventually brought it to eastern Iowa.

The asking price was $200. After consulting with a friend who has collected sewing machines for 50 years, I called the owner and arranged to purchase the cabinet. She stated "Buy it!! I've never seen one in the wild!!" The man was charming and told me "I believe you were meant to have this." The owner was surprised that the sewing machine was removable.

A quilting friend purchased this cabinet many years ago. Unfortunately, they did not know what they had and threw away the books and removed the machine and treadle parts. I have the machine and treadle parts. Know anyone needing them?

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Oh Phylliss,  hearing that makes me really want to get this one.  It's likely it will go to a "repurposer" as there are very few people in this area that would want it for what it is,  and not consider it a neat nightstand if they "fix it up".

Anyone want to show up with a trailer and take a load of machines and cabinets off my hands so I've got room for a few new ones? 


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Oh, dear.  There are SO few of these beauties around, you should definitely consider acquiring this one!  It's a very compact little cabinet.  When I got mine, I'd been watching it on Craigslist for awhile.  By the time I gave up to go get it, they sold it to me for $27, lol.  Mine (as you can see in the pic) was missing the original books and lower shelf to hold them.  I have since found the two sets of books, but am still missing that bottom shelf. Wheeler Wilson 9 Library Cabinet.jpg  Wheeler Wilson 9 Library Cabinet inside.jpg 

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That sounded dumb....The original books were missing, but I photocopied temporary books spines so it wouldn't be empty, lol!!
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Couldn't you just put real books in there?  Or are the shelves an awkward size?
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Cathy, if you are in a position to get it, and think it is one you'd want to take with you when you move, then do! The number of machines you will sell won't change because you added this WW and book case cabinet.
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They are not real shelvess. It's a shallow area with books spines so it looks like real books,  but it's not.

I've seen "hacks" where someone takes old books and runs them through the table saw so they are about 1" left,  and then glues them together on a narrow shelf so it looks like you've got a built in bookshelf on the wall.   I cringe when I think about cutting up old books to make a decoration. 

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Wow, I would look at a cabinet that is missing the books as an opportunity and go to a used book store to buy some suitable hard backs and then make a very cool "book vault" to store stuff out of sight.  And....if I was that person who recently bought that 2,000 Singer attachment set maybe I would hide it there 😉  Just kidding on that one but the book vault would be on my to-do list and would be way cool for a cabinet like that.  

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This unmarked treadle table with a coffin lid was in a local shop. The bobbin covers were frozen so I don't know if the bobbins are there. The irons were unmarked but I think it is German. There was a little cup in the center of the irons under the machine. Mother of pearl was inlaid on the metal and the table was inlaid wood. Wheel turned just fine. The starting price was $100. Could anyone help with a value or maker please?

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If you can flip the machine up, you can probably tell if there's a shuttle present from underneath.  You should know that before bidding, if you expect to sew on it.  Bobbins are easier to get, or make, than shuttles.

"Starting price"?  You mean for negotiating down?  $100 doesn't seem terribly unreasonable to me, so any discount you get would be great.  Double the size of your hoped-for discount, and maybe you'll meet in the middle.

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The starting price was $100. Could anyone help with a value or maker please?


Have you considered the Collier No.3 (circa 1885ish)

https://sewalot.com/collier_sewing_machines.htm

It's close.

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Thank you. Do you think the inlaided measurement in centimeters means anything?
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Thank you. Do you think the inlaided measurement in centimeters means anything?


Yes. The metric units of measure were adopted in 1870 in Germany (legally in 1872). However most of Europe  were adopting the system in 1880s. If you can check the slide plate, front and back you 'may' find 142 Clapham Road, London, which would seal the deal and it would be a J.Colliers & Sons and most likely the No. 3. I wish I could find a photo of a treadle machine, everything I get is portable.

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Thank you. The transverse machines on ebay have the same metal number plate as well. Very confusing. They are listed as gritzner. Did Collier sell German machines as English?
A YouTube video shows the threading technique. Need to verify all the tension discs are there. I can't think parts would be easy to find.
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Thank you. The transverse machines on ebay have the same metal number plate as well. Very confusing. They are listed as gritzner. Did Collier sell German machines as English?


No idea on the availability of parts, and yes J. Collier & Sons had machines built for them in Germany. The model 3 has similarities to a Gritzner, but Collier also ordered from other German companies. That's as far as I've read anyways. They say the London address should be on the slide plate. Looks like the seller's badge is missing. Wish someone else would chime in because I can get them wrong. =)

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This unmarked treadle table with a coffin lid was in a local shop. The bobbin covers were frozen so I don't know if the bobbins are there. The irons were unmarked but I think it is German. There was a little cup in the center of the irons under the machine. Mother of pearl was inlaid on the metal and the table was inlaid wood. Wheel turned just fine. The starting price was $100. Could anyone help with a value or maker please?


Could your German machine be Frister Rossmann?  See photo below of my Frister Rossmann (c1894), that arrived from England with a cracked bed. 

FRCB2.jpg 
If you zoom in on the access plate, you'll see same images as yours.   I'll try to get a better photo later.  


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I have two D9's, one with great decals (but no cabinet), and a handcrank on the way from the UK. This isn't the bookcase, but I'm still kicking myself for not grabbing this one with the full mirror! And it was available near me for awhile for only $100!

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