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I've been trying to figure out what goes in this base. I've tried quite a few different machines, but nothing I have fits. The opening is 7" x 13.5". Does anyone recognize it?

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I'm not certain but I think it might be National based on the tray and hinge pin holes.
The size sounds like a 3/4 size machine.
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Could be, that's one I don't have. The hinge hole spacing is 8-1/2". Does that match a National?
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Was going to ask if it has a cable or chain lift,  but then noticed the top is gone.   Looks like it only has room for a chain.

This looks a lot like what a White VS machine fits into.  I'll have to compare that one and my National and see what is the different.

 


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Went out and looked,  I've got White, National and Davis machines with the front attachment point located where this one is (it's a screw that holds the machine in place when lowered)  However I also have those same manufactures with it in a different location,  so not much help.  The one White treadle I have in the Shed has a base like this one,  but fits a machine with a rounded back end. 

I also notice this takes the smaller diameter hinges more often seen in a case.  It's too bad they are missing,  as the hinge pins can help determine what was in there originally. 

Next stop is the bin, where I've got more cabinets stored.

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When you say "opening" I'll assume you mean lip to lip.  Because that wont' be a full size machine except possibly New Home as they are on the smaller size.  (for US machines).

Darn - should have looked at that sooner,  because now i have to go measure my 3/4 size machines.   I went out and took pictures of the full size ones,  but they are all more than 14". 

I've got them in Davis,  National,  Standard and New Home (as far as I've found,  Free never made a 3/4 size machine).   I know White's 3/4 won't fit,  it's got a very unusual base.


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Sorry, my 3/4 size National is buried where I can't get to it easily.
I want to say National hinge pins where they go in the wood are an odd size IIRC like 11/16".  I know I didn't have a drill bit to fit them.
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My 3/4 size machines are all smaller,  with the exception of my Davis B,  which is sort of in between a full size and a 3/4 size machine.

My New Home is 13.5",  but a bit narrower, like closer to 6.75"

I also have a New Royal full size that is only 13" long, by 7" wide.

I do have one cabinet tucked way in the back that looks like this (From what I can see) however I can't get back there to get a better look. 

Gonna go back out and recheck my Standard.  I do not have a full size VS machine.  I had got "13" stuck in my head,  and I think that one measured out at 13.5 also.  Most of the others are 14-14.5" long. 


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At least I'm getting in lots of "steps" . . .

Standard is too big

Right now,  the one that appears to be the best fit is the New Home.  I have one or two new home treadles, but I think they are both still in the boat shed,  so I'll have to wait until later to go check them.   DH and I didn't get all the cabinet stuff out of there,  just enough so he could put the zero turn mower in there for the winter.  Time to get it all moved out. 

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Thanks for all the detective work. Sorry I took so long to reply. I've been at a Civil War event the last 3 days.

It just so happens the hinges were in the drawer. Maybe they will help in the identification process.

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yes,  hinges can be very helpful.  the length, diameter and if they have any notches in them.


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I see no notches. The diameter of the main section that goes into the table is .690". The pin that slips into the machine bed is .600" long and .300" in diameter.
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I don't know the size but National uses a pin on the machine that is significantly larger than a Singer pin.
Those look like National hinges to me.
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Rodney,  the hole in it is smaller than any full size National I have,  and quite a bit larger than the 3/4 size ones I have.

I haven't gotten out to the shed where my other cabinets are.  The three National I have easier access too all have the larger style hinges (screw down not bolt down) but that does not really mean much.  These smaller types are more often found on cases for portable machines,  but once in a while on cabinets too. 

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So nice that people here are taking their time and knowledge to help solve
-a problem. The answer and discussion may help others too.
Thanks for being so considerate but sorry I can not help you.

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I'm super new to this,(2-3 weeks!) so take anything I say with a whole shaker of salt.  Looks like my Burdick would fit.  I still need to research, but I think I read that the Minnesota B is the same as a Burdick.

I'm not sure how to measure pin distance... center to center, outer to outer?  Anyway, here are some pics of my machine & pins.

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Gelly - thanks for the pics. The pin distance on mine is 8.5" measured from center to center of each pin. Yours looks like it may be be a little less, maybe 8"? That's a nice machine you have there.
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The Standard Slim is the only other thing I have close... it may fit depending on how you measured the opening. Pin spacing seems correct.  The bed is 14" long, but there is quite a bit of a lip on both ends, underside is quite a bit shorter.

Sorry for my crappy phone pics & poor lighting.  Too lazy to drag out my camera & tripod at the moment.

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Dear all:
I am relatively new to this group. So thanks in advance for any wisdom, many, many thanks. I wonder if anyone ever cataloged the hinge pin widths of treadles to make it easier to find a replacement head for the cabinets. I came across a treadle cabinet with a chain lift, distance of 10.5 inch between centers of hinge pins. It has not identification on the irons, so they are no help. It looks about 1930s to 40s based on the style of the drawer pulls. The petal runs very smoothly, so it is a pretty cool thing and I would love to find a machine for it. Thanks for being here!

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