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I have a 306K I would like to put in a treadle cabinet. I know at least a couple folks on the forum have done so and I have a couple questions.

I have seen two different style Singer treadle cabinets, one that I think of as "traditional" like the cabinets 5 & 6 on the ismacs page and the narrower style bottom like this. Does it make a difference? I know the opening needs to be the size of the machine, but was wondering if it made a difference in the ability to lower the 306K into the cabinet. 

For those of you who have done it, did you have to make any modifications to the top opening or alignment? I can't seem to find a viable treadle base here locally that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and  I'm likely going to have drive 60+ miles to check out any possibilities, so I'd like to narrow down the choices and know what I'm getting myself into. [smile]

My other option is to go to a cabinet maker and have a new top made for the Naumann treadle base I have. I originally bought the Naumann with the hopes of being able to put the 306K in in but the opening is too small, plus it has some heavy duty supports around the edge and I kind of don't want to modify the original top. On plus side, the  original top of the Naumann  is relatively easy to remove and replace and the treadle base is compact and very smooth. 

Any ideas, measurements, helpful hints would be greatly appreciated. I've been doing a lot of sewing lately on my White straight stitch treadle and am dreaming of a treadle zigzag machine. 

Thanks! MJ

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I have a 306K I would like to put in a treadle cabinet....and am dreaming of a treadle zigzag machine.

Thanks! MJ


Hi MJTX.  I’m one of the ones that has operated a Singer 306 in a treadle.  I’m using a 319W now.  Unfortunately, I can’t give you any information about folding the machine down in a treadle.  I never fold mine down.  And I used an electric cabinet top mounted onto a treadle base to boot, so I can’t help you with that question.

As far as the “traditional” and “narrower style bottom” question, the narrower style bottom one was made in at least two different styles.  Some people simply call them a “straight-leg” treadle.  I’ve seen a cast iron one that was made for the 3/4-size machines (28, 99) that you won’t want for your full-sized 306.  The cut-out in the top won’t be large enough.  The straight-leg treadles that I’ve come across for the full-sized machines have all been tubular steel legs, not cast iron.  As far as I know, the tubular steel design came out in the 1940s or so (probably as a cost-saving change).  I believe that the traditional cast iron legs for full-sized machines were discontinued at about the same time, but that’s just a guess.

You might consider removing the top from your Naumann treadle and substituting an electric Singer cabinet top in its place since you have a smooth-running treadle already.  Singer electric cabinets seem to be plentiful, and many of the economy models have the top simply screwed to the legs (or vice-versa) and can be removed and used easily on a treadle base.  Lining up the new top with the treadle flywheel involves a plumb-bob, a yardstick, a holesaw or keyhole saw, and a bunch of old fashioned “eye-balling”.  Not anything that a carpenter wouldn’t have to do to make a new top for you.

CD in Oklahoma

Note:  I replaced the disc hand wheel with a 9-spoke wheel after this photo was taken.
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Hi CD, I was thinking it was you who had done this, thanks for responding! I hadn't thought of the possibility of running into a 3/4 size treadle cabinet, so good to know.

I had thought of substituting the top from an electric machine cabinet, but ran into a snag. The supports (with the attaching screw hole are 21" apart on the Naumann treadle. I have a couple electric cabinets that are 21-22" wide so while I could just barely center the electric top on the treadle support, I don't think the machine will be in the right alignment with the treadle wheel -  no side to side wiggle room. Dang it! The center of the treadle wheel is 3" from the support and the center hand wheel distance in the electric cabinet is 5" from the edge of the top, but I can't slide the top over to line up with the treadle wheel without missing the left support. (does that make sense?) I need a few more inches of width on the electric cabinet wood top. Soooo....if I can find another cabinet like this wider (and low low priced model [eek]) then a disassembled top will be the best answer. (I actually have that cabinet as a home to my 37 lb Singer 223, but she's staying there! And to think I only paid $25 for cabinet - little did I know I was sitting on an ebay gold mine!!) 

The plumb bob is a great idea - I can handle a keyhole saw and drill, it's the routing out a ledge for the machine to rest on that is beyond my skills and equipment. Sigh. 
Appreciate your help!
MJ

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If you use a Singer full-size cabinet, I don’t see any reason that you would need to route out a ledge for your machine.

If your top is not large enough to span the width of the treadle stand, how about using “strippers” to bridge across the span, and put your top wherever you need it?  I did that for a White top to accommodate a White Rotary (on the same treadle stand shown earlier), and I plan to do the same thing for my Singer 3/4 top that is too short.  It’s not pretty, but it works.

CD in Oklahoma

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That's a good idea, might be able to make that work at least until a "prettier" solution comes along. ;-)
Here's a pic of the Naumann treadle part - it has an oversized 16" wheel. I think a regular belt will still fit even with the extra stripper height. I checked and have a little play, or I can try aquarium tubing if the leather belt comes up short. Have you used alternatives to leather on any of your treadles?
Also, can I asked why you replaced the original 306k wheel with a spoked one? Heavier weight?

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Just my experience:  I bought my 306 already in a treadle base....and restored it back to original electric because it was so difficult to treadle!  If I had the belt tight enough, it was too much work to pump, if you will. If I loosened the belt a bit, it just slipped.  I just didn't like it as a treadle.  It wasn't too important to me because I've got (literally) dozens of treadles and didn't need it.

That said, I surely do wish you lived near me (SW Washington) because I've got at least 4 sets of various treadle legs just sittin' around on my porch that I would gladly gift you for your purpose!

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Thanks hilltophomesteader! Yup, it's a looong way from Washington state to Texas, but I appreciate the sentiment! Good to know about the potential difficulty, and another reason I'm reluctant to invest in a high priced cabinet - I may not like the 306 as a treadle. If I can get that Naumann base to work, maybe it's oversized 16" wheel will help? I think the normal treadle wheels are about 12" in diameter.
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The 306 is pretty much plug and play for fitting it into a standard Singer treadle, it has the same base dimensions as a 15, 127, 201, etc.

Drops down just fine too. 

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Nice pic and machine, In Stitches! Mine is tan too. Thanks for the info, good to know it will drop down for storage. Do you just undo the belt to tilt back and change the bobbin, or can you reach under? The electric cabinet for my 306 has a handy oval cut out in the front so I can reach right in, so I was wondering about tilting it back and the treadle belt.
Also how do you find it for ease of treadling?

MJ

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Nice pic and machine, In Stitches! Mine is tan too. Thanks for the info, good to know it will drop down for storage. Do you just undo the belt to tilt back and change the bobbin, or can you reach under? The electric cabinet for my 306 has a handy oval cut out in the front so I can reach right in, so I was wondering about tilting it back and the treadle belt.
Also how do you find it for ease of treadling?

MJ


Just slip the belt off for storage, reach under to change the bobbin case / bobbin... this machine treadles very smoothly and easily. The solid wheel is a little lighter, and with a slightly larger belt run. This makes it a little slower but makes for very nice control and gives a little more torque.

Spoked hand wheels have a slightly smaller belt run (effectively a higher gear ratio) and more weight in what is a flywheel. 

My 206 is also treadled and I swapped in a cast spoked wheel. 
 
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.... or I can try aquarium tubing if the leather belt comes up short. Have you used alternatives to leather on any of your treadles?
Also, can I asked why you replaced the original 306k wheel with a spoked one? Heavier weight?


Most new 3/16” round leather treadle belts are sold in six-foot lengths so that you can trim them to fit your application.  Or, some of the older shops sell it by the foot so you can get any length that you want.

I used Oxygen tubing for a brief experiment with a 3-thread treadle serger, and I have a piece of flat man-made belting that I got from McMaster-Carr for my Singer 401G to try treadling it with the electric handwheel someday, but no, I use round leather for everything else (including 5/16” on my Consew 225 and 226 clutch motor machines).

I had a new Chinese 9-spoke wheel that the center hole was drilled off-center and I couldn’t sell it (it didn’t just wobble, it loped like a cam), so I put it on “Ol Ugly” (my tan 306W24) to try to get some use out of it.  (Ol Ugly got its nickname the first time my wife saw it.)  I mainly wanted to have the larger hand wheel rim for starting and stopping my machine, and since I mostly do mending, I use a finger in the spokes to walk the machine around various obstacles often.  I think the machine treadles easier with the spoked wheel on it than it did with the disc wheel.  I haven’t treadled a zigzag machine yet that wasn’t somewhat more difficult to treadle than a straight-stitch machine.  I think it’s the added drag from the additional moving parts.  I only use my right foot to treadle, so I wouldn’t call it overly hard-running.

To use the existing bobbin winder with the spoke wheel that has a smaller collar for the BW tire to ride on, I cut a strip of thick veg-tan leather, joined it end-to-end with a belt clip, and hand pressed it onto the wheel shoulder to make up the difference in diameter.  When I wind a bobbin, I hold the BW against the leather collar with my index finger.  It was the only solution that came to mind with the loping hub problem.  The belt clip sticking up caused the BW to vibrate extensively when going over the clip, so I counter-sunk the collar clip on the collar that I put on my 319W1 that has a genuine Singer 9-spoke wheel.  That took care of the vibration problem pretty much.  I haven’t used the 306 since I got my 319 up and running.

CD in Oklahoma

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I really appreciate everyone's responses to my questions - the transition to treadle will be much smoother for all your help. Good info on the bobbin winding work around, too. Now to find a reasonable priced, local cabinet...fingers crossed!
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Success! I finally got a treadle cabinet like I wanted for my 306K. In fact I ended up with two treadle cabinets...you know how these things multiply...kinda like taking in a stray kitten who then invites the whole litter. [smile] 

For the first cabinet,  I bit the bullet and bought a local but s0mewhat overpriced cabinet that was sound but needed a good cosmetic makeover (peeling veneer, bad finish). It contained a crinkle (or godzilla) finish 1940 Singer 127 (AF649560). The machine turned okay but needed the usual vacuum, clean, oil and polish routine plus a minor bobbin winder spring repair. It revived nicely (pic below) and I temporarily put a hand crank on it just for fun.

Then I happened to reconnect with a lady about 70 miles away who had listed the same style cabinet on craigslist, the cabinet was in much better cosmetic condition and contained a Singer 15-88 (and I'd been wanting Singer 15) sooo, an afternoon road trip later... I now have two cabinets and a Singer 15-88. The 15-88 also fits in the Naumann treadle stand I have. It's been like sewing machine musical chairs here! 

As you can see, I put the 306K in the better looking cabinet and she (CamiKay) is happy as can be. Like InStitches mentioned above, it was "plug and play" and treadles very nicely. Plus I have two new machines to play with and an extra cabinet to use for various machines that can be treadled. Woot! Thanks for all the help on this!

MJ
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MJ,

I love that cabinet and I'm so glad it worked for you right off the bat! 

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Thanks Karen, I like the fact it has some drawers and even a front flip out drawer for all the little bits and bobs.
Here's the other cabinet after de-rusting and repainting the base, and veneer removal of the top lid and generous applications of Howards ReStoreAFinish and Old English scratch remover for dark wood...that stuff worked miracles. I wish I had taken before pics. But anyway, it came out better than expected...as long as you don't inspect tooooo closely. [wink] The pic is a little dark and that helps!
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