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Cari-in-Oly

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Here's another Kenmore with rounded corners. Too bad we can't see the front of the machine.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/atq/5410385815.html

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Here's my 117.740, also with rounded corners. I use this machine to free motion quilt.

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Hey, maybe you can answer Zorbas question on the other thread. Does it have standard hinge spacing? In other words, can it go into a Singer or generic cabinet?

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I'd be happy to answer the question. But....I only have Kenmores so I don't know the standard hinge spacing. A little later today I can measure both of mine and post the answers though. That should help.

I have heard in the past that Kenmores fit in Kenmore cabinets. Period. It will be interesting to see if that is really true.

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I'm back. I measured both machines and yikes - they are different! I had no idea.

For the hinge spacing I measured from left to right. The measurement I took is the left side of the hinge pin. I hope that's the standard way to measure. If not, tell me what to do and I'll try again.

117.841 - The bed is 17" x 7 3/8" and has square corners. The hinge pins are at 3 1/4" and 12 1/2".

117.740 - The bed is 15" x 7" and has rounded corners. The hinge pins are at a hair less than 2 1/2" and 12 1/8".

I'd thought my machines/cabinets were interchangeable but obviously not. What is standard hinge spacing by the way?

Edited to add - The hinges on these machines are totally different too. The 740 has the standard looking hinge with a round part that lays flat in the wood cabinet top. The 841 has something completely different and I can't even see all of it because it's hidden in the cabinet. It has a nice stop mechanism when I have the machine lifted up. My husband says it's a far superior hinge mechanism. If there is interest I can try to photograph it. Otherwise, I won't bother. 

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Most of my Kenmores are in the locker in Springfield, but I have a couple here.   I'll measure them today and post it for comparison.

I don't "think" I have any Kenmores, square or rounded corners, that will fit in a Singer case or cabinet.   But I'm not positive.

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KenmoreGal2,
Hinge spacing is usually measured from center post to center post, like this:
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It will be in the ballpark of 9 1/2 inches depending on the type of hinge for standard footprint (Singer, Japanese, etc.) machines. This machine has fat hinge posts so center to center is about 9 5/8 inches. I just measured the distance from the outer edge of the hinge posts to the edges of the machine and it's about 2 3/8".

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Oops! I'll remeasure!!
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That blue one looks good from the back.  Too bad there's no pics of the front.
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That blue one looks good from the back.  Too bad there's no pics of the front.
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Rodney that's the green B200, the hand crank machine.

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I'm an idiot, I forgot about the first machine. Never mind.......

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My Kenmore 117.740 has hinges that look like the ones in your picture Cari. The measurement was 9 7/8.

My Kenmore 117.841 has hinges that hardly show from the top, just a small rectangular cut out is visible. The measurement between the middle of the 2 cut outs is 9 3/4.

But when it comes to fitting in a cabinet, the bed size matters too right? For example, my 2 machines are not interchangeable. 

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Yes bed size matters. I *think* but not positive your 841 has a larger bed size like the Singer 401/500 and newer machines, it just has the square corners(and different hinge spacing) more typical of Kenmores. For the typical Kenmores, Sears made sure their machines would only fit in their cabinets. The exceptions are the few machines like your 740. I do believe it would fit in a Singer, Brother, generic etc.. cabinet. The type of hinge isn't as important as the spacing. I have cabinets with the type of hinges your 841 has, but the spacing is such that my Singer 201-2, Necchi Lelia and my Japanese machines fit in them. I bet your 740 would too.

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I'm still sick over my foolish decision to downsize the original cabinet for my 89. As soon as it warms up a bit I'll be making a base. I think most Kenmores are not the "standard" Singer footprint to bring customers back to Sears. I ran out to the garage for my notes on the 89:
L:  16-5/8"
W: 7-1/4"
Hinge pin center to center: 9-5/8"
Hinge pin hole diameter: .2475 (Singer is .2800 ~ 9/32"  with a pin diameter of .2675 ~ 17/64". Singer pins have to be filed to fit, at least on my 89).

I jumped on Zorba's site and dropped him a note, hopefully he'll get it.

I also did a quick check of the documents in the Yahoo Vintage Kenmore Group, but nothing posted. 

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   The Gritzner-Kayser made Domestic Imperial Automatic [ same machine as KenmoreGal2's Kenmore 117.740 ] fits Singer and Japanese 15 clones  and most Japanese made zig zag machines cabinets and carry cases.

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   The Gritzner-Kayser made Domestic Imperial Automatic [ same machine as KenmoreGal2's Kenmore 117.740 ] fits Singer and Japanese 15 clones  and most Japanese made zig zag machines cabinets and carry cases.

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So do the Kenmores sold in Canada, the ones with the different model #s than US sold machines.

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