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Rocketeer

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Hi Everyone,
I've been stewing some time over which treadle cabinet to search for, for a beautiful 27 "Pheasant" head sn N130414 (1900) that I have. I've thought about the nicer and more elaborate cabinets. As incredible as the parlor cabinets are, I like seeing the mechanism and the irons. For a while, I had wanted to get a "coffin-top" cabinet, to reduce handling of the machine and putting it down into the cabinet when not in use. I have all the pieces to do this, but it's a lot of work, will likely not be fully matched when I'm done shellacking, and I'm not crazy about the open-case drawers.

I have a couple questions for those in the know on here, and would love anyone and everyone's opinions -- which cabinet would YOU put with this machine?

1. The current coffin-top cabinet I have has 5 drawers, open-case, with the grid pattern and brass ring pulls, and the irons have the arched crossbar without the SINGER logo on it. My impression from sites like http://needlebar.org/main/singercabs/treadles.html and also catalogues that I've seen, is that these irons were eventually more specific to the 24. The one I have came with a rusty 27 in it, sn 10190084 (1892). Does anyone have a sense of dating for these irons with the center arch missing the SINGER logo? I've always wondered when the SINGER was placed in the crossbar, and why cabinets for the 24 seem to have had the arched crossbar in the irons. 

2. I'm leaning toward cabinets with 7 drawers (why not get the best?) and with more elaborate carved wood details. The coffin-top treadle cabinets are pretty tough to find, so I might just go with the more standard flip-top cabinet. What treadle cabinet would you pick for this machine head?


Got a machiiiiine head.....
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The arched crossbar treadle irons, and the grid pattern (Ive removed the drawers for conservation). The irons themselves are in pretty incredible shape and have not been restored in any way.

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The medallions on those irons -- "open boat" shuttle suggesting an older date?

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Thanks to any and all with opinions and knowledge to share...

Matt


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I like the art noveau styling, but the carvings are rather fragile. Mine came with a Persian 27 (1899) I am becoming much more enamored of the plain cabinet, this one came with a 115 Tiffany (1915).

I think my reasoning for this change is similar to arranging flowers, or potting a plant, the vessel should enhance, not detract, from the beauty of the flowers/plant being featured.

Pair as you would like! Only vsm geeks will notice if the cabinet era is slightly different from the head era.

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I agree with Lori, that either would work.  According to ismac.net the Pheasant decals were used from c.1890 to c.1915, however, needlebar.org indicates recorded use from 1891 - 1910. https://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/NMAHTEX/0668/index.htm
which shows various cabinet and machines.  I believe those are from 1910, but I know many of the cabinets were used prior to that.

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Matt

That's a lovely machine!

I agree with the others that either would work fine. My 27 pheasant is a 1906 and is in what I believe to be the original 7 drawer cabinet which is in nice shape. It's the plainer variation but the oak is beautiful and I agree with Lori that it sets off, rather than competes with, the pheasant decals.

However, that said, I've always wanted one of the cabinets with Art Nouveau decoration 😀

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I have a treadle cabinet for the Singer 24,  and the treadle legs are only 18" apart,  so legs for the 24 cabinet and 27 cabinet are not interchangeable.  My 24 is of the  vintage you are considering and it does have the "singer" logo.

Legs for the chainstitcher also have a stop motion device  so you can not physically turn the flywheel the "wrong" direction.  

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I have a Singer 27 from about the same time period as yours that you might use for reference.  Mine’s a 1901 model, and I believe that the treadle cabinet is original to the machine.  It is the coffin-top style with the left end drop leaf.  The irons have the Singer logo on the crossbar, and measure 20.25 inches between legs center to center.

This particular model 27 probably wouldn’t have been sent out in a drop-down style cabinet, since it’s the convertible model with the wrap-around hand attachment.  (Convertible in this case means: the machine can be removed from the treadle, placed on another surface, and then operated by hand - all without tools and without taking the work out from under the needle.)  I’m not sure that any drop-down cabinet would facilitate a 27 with a hand crank.

Just for reference: Two later Singer treadle irons that I have measure 21.25 and 22.5 inches (both probably had drop-down cabinets), so maybe some of the earlier solid top treadles had narrower frames?

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Thanks everyone so much for the info. CD  -- that is a beautiful setup and very close to the coffin-top arrangement I have, except mine has the arched cross-bar with no SINGER logo on it, and it's not the "convertible" setup. Unfortunately the veneer on the entire top surface was peeling, so I obtained a replacement top and drop-leaf...and the most beautiful coffin-box top...but imagining refinishing these things and getting them all to match may be more than I was hoping for. 

Incidentally I do have a sphinx with the wrap-around hand crank and the bobbin winder that contacts the handwheel directly ... that's in a portable coffin-top case. The pheasant head I'm trying to put into a cabinet has a bobbin winder that can only be treadle-belt-driven, so it makes sense that it likely was only in a treadle cabinet and I am resigning myself to getting a drop-down version for it, but *whine* I love the coffin tops so much...

Must convince myself...it's the journey, not the destination...


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If you like being able to see the machine (and who wouldn't want to be able to admire that Pheasant!?), be sure you have room for a flip-up style cabinet to remain open for periods of time.  Bonnet-top cabinets take less floor space when open.  (But of course you need to have a place to put the bonnet.  Tradeoffs, tradeoffs...)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocketeer

Must convince myself...it's the journey, not the destination...




Exactly!!  If period accurate doesn't suit your tastes then go for what gives you the most pleasure to look at and possible use if the machine is for sewing.
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My Pheasant 27 came in an Art Nouveau 7-drawer cabinet.  It was the original owner's grandaugther who sold it to me, so I think they belong together. (pre-restoration photo).

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