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Jenny

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Is the singer puzzle box patent current?  I have done searches and searches and can't find anything, but knowing me I am not using the correct search words.  Thank you. 
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Do you mean is the 1889 patent currently in use? It is currently listed in the USPTO. That is just for the wood box. There are many others used for the attachments. Was there something specific you were looking for?

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Jenny

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Asking as wanting to make puzzle box and wondeirng if breeching patent by doing so.

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WI Lori

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If making one for yourself, I wouldn't worry about it.
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I wouldn't worry about making your own puzzle box. Gives you a option to expand the box for extra tools like the button hole machine. Been thinking about making a full drawer length puzzle box. I also want to try to replace the velvet in one too for my frankentreadle.

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Thank you John for your reply.  I know it would be unlikely that someone would see the one I make, but just wanted to know.  A friend also wanted one and if others see hers , which I would give as a gift, not sure what would happen then.

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The box was invented in 1888 by John M. Griest, a Singer employee who won a US patent for the design.

John M. Griest filed for patent on 6 August 1888 and received US patent 397980 on 19 February 1889

NOTE: 2019-03-04 - Application status is Expired - Lifetime


BTW https://patents.google.com/patent/US397980

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Jenny

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Thank you Steve.  I am presuming that there is not a problem with making puzzles boxes then.   How do I stand in selling them?  I read that patent is expired, but what does lifetime after it mean?

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Another bunny trail,,,
The "Sewing Machine Times" would put in expired patents for the previous month, usually on page 10. I could not find it, but that doesn't mean it did not expire in 1906. What I found kind of interesting it should have been on https://digital.hagley.org/sewingmachinetimes_103113_vol_xvi_no_359#page/10/mode/1up (If you want the full pdf it can be found at https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2005496/datastream/PDF/download ) This is the same issue that had John Milton Greist's Obituary on the first page and full page 'ad' on page 3 about his death. Usually, there was a full page ad on page 3 for Greist Mfg. Co.

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Jenny

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Janey    Thank you so much for your reply to my question.  Wow have did not know about 'The Sewing Machine Times'.  I will be lost for days looking at items in this.  No I didn't find anything of the patent on page 10.  This forum is fantastic with so much knowledge from so many.  

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Thank you Steve.  I am presuming that there is not a problem with making puzzles boxes then.   How do I stand in selling them?  I read that patent is expired, but what does lifetime after it mean?



Jenny -- patents only have a life of 15 to 20 years, depending on when they were granted (the laws have changed over time).  That one expired long ago.  I think "Patent is expired - Lifetime" means, in patent-speak, that it has expired because its lifetime has been reached.  (Back then patents could also be extended.  Perhaps that line would say something else if it had been extended, and then expired.  I'm just surmising.)

In any case, you're safe.  Make 'em, sell 'em.  And be sure to let us know, via the vendor area!


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Jenny

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Thanks pgf  I read it that way, but knowing much about legal language I thought it may I be how I was reading it.  I feel better that if someone sees friends gift and wants one I won't be worrying about making them.  
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really really, it is ok.  I am 99% certain a person could openly reproduce these boxes and there would be no issue
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Thanks Steve   will make some with clear mind now and not worrying that someone will come knocking.  lol

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