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rfederle

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Hello, I am new to this forum and I am curious about the Puzzle Box. I have a Singer Model 127. Do the puzzle box attachments fit this model and if so, which version (1 through 14) should I look for?

Thank you and I find this site very helpful and informative. Gad to be here.

Robert

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johnstuart

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There are no wood or metal puzzle boxes that originally came with the 127. The attachments for the 127 came in a green cardboard box. As for will the wood type puzzle box attachments fit a 127, some of them. There are puzzle boxes for the Improved Family machines (singer 15) and the singer 24. The key is to get one with the class 27 shirring plate. You're best bet is to look at the file macybaby made about the puzzle boxes. Most sellers and re-sellers don't know or list what the box is for. A good indication the box is for the 27 is the 5 bobbin holder for the long bobbins in the class 27 one and the class 15 one has a wire bobbin holder.

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rfederle

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Thank you John. Very helpful inf there. What is a shirring plate? Is there a photo somewhere?

Thank you again.

Robert
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Well here is a sort of usefull picture of the style 11 class 27 type puzzle box. They are the most numerous to find. https://www.flickr.com/photos/132113927@N03/29835276692/in/dateposted-public/ I can only find a picture of the class 15 shirring plate. The part i am talking about is depicted in the manual, but it is list as part 25503 and is under the ruffler. The bobbin holder you need to see in a class 27 puzzle box is shown on the bottom right of the blurry picture. The one for the 127 is a green box and can be found easier and for less money than the puzzle boxes.

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rfederle

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Thank you again John. That photo helps alot. I may change my thoughts on the puzzle box at least for now. I was simply thinking there may have been one specifically for the 127. I am now finding out otherwise and all the different attachments there in gets a little confusing especially for someone like me that is a complete novice. At least in the grand scheme of Treadle machine.

Thank you again.

Robert
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There is one specifically for the 127 in the green cardboard box. Do you have a 127 and not maybe the vs2/27 or 27? Have you checked the serial number for the date on manufacture? With that date i can say for sure what one. I have yet to find a picture of the set beside the green box. Almost all low shank sets will work though. Singer made it confusing so they could up sell. Remember, there are Griest sets available as well and were in the metal tins lol. If i could find the macybaby link to the full puzzlebox info, it would solve some problems and is one of the best picture sets on the internet for finding out what puzzle boxes are what.

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rfederle

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Thank you again John,

Yes, according to the serila number G5841461 it was a part of 20000 machines for model 127 Nov 30 1917 if I am not mistaken.

Robert
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I found one link that shows the green box, just circa 1950, but similar here http://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/gallery_accessories/ . The lettering is a bit different is all. If you aren't looking for "period correct" you can see in the list some of the low shank attachments available. If you want period correct, i can help further with the serial number or the date of manufacture. Manufacture dates can be found here at ISMACS http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/serial-numbers/singer-sewing-machine-serial-number-database.html

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johnstuart

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For 1917 it would be the green box with white lettering and are very common. The price is far less than trying to get a puzzle box. Those puzzle boxes go from 40 Us to 140 and the set you are after is 12 to 40. There are no complete sets i have found for sale for a link. I did find one that is from the factory "less hemming foot" and one other. There are also variations from Europe, North America and Russia. You can look on the bright side and get them all..even the zigzag attachment. I went this route and have many sets. Some for machines i don't even have that came along with the singer sets. I even have the style 12 with booklet, try finding that on the internet lol.

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rfederle

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Thank you again John,

Yes, those puzzle boxes I have looked at are quite pricey. I will look for those in the box now instead. I appreciate your insight and information. It is quite helpful. For those in green boxes, are there any specific part numbers to look for that you know of?

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I am not sure of the box part number, i have forgot. The later box number is 121897 with yellow lettering that will fit low shank singer 127. Stay away from the ones list "for 221" because they pump up the price for that market on the basic set. The yellow lettered box 121897 will give you a good view on what the 127 used. Here is a link to some attachments for the UK(mostly) the old vs feet set predates the puzzlebox here. She does have the green cardboard box set of attachments. This is Helen Howes website link here http://www.helenhowes-sewingmachines.co.uk/ and has the full set under feet and attachments add ons etc..

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rfederle

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Thank you John,

I appreciate that and I will check her site out.

Robert
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hi i'm new

i am restoring my antique singer treadle 1909 model 27.  i am also looking to buy a puzzle box but have no idea what style number to buy for my year machine

any help would be appreciated


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This link should help you out.
Singer Attachment Boxes

It's always nice to have a coordinated display.

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hi i'm new

i am restoring my antique singer treadle 1909 model 27.  i am also looking to buy a puzzle box but have no idea what style number to buy for my year machine

any help would be appreciated



Ismacs has information on many machines.  For information and research on many machines go to their home page and select "Research" from the top and it will give you a list of machines and categories.

http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/singer_attachments_and_accessories.html

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Hi Marriane, welcome to the group. The best bet for a puzzle box would be the Singer style 11. They are common enough to find and get missing parts for. I have styles 9, 10, 11, and the tin type style 12 manuals if  you ever get a puzzle box and need instructions for them. They all look the same at a glance, but as you look at the parts, it becomes quite a puzzle lol.

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Ericka

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Just scanning through the review of the puzzle boxes and great info in the beginning, Macybaby.  Only one major thing that you might want to edit and change, though - the section on Tuckers. The tuckers that were used in the Style 1 and 2 boxes attached to the attachment foot, which then attached to the presser foot bar.  You don't have that first tucker in the picture that shows 3 tuckers, and you do go over this later on, but you might want to edit that first part to either show the additional tucker for the earlier boxes or say that the first tucker in that pic is for the Style 3 box and attaches directly to the presser foot bar. 

And you probably know that the later tucker you show has also had some odd variations in the needle bar arm.  I've seen some that go up and loop around and down to the side, others that go up and loop back around down underneath and others that just go up to meet the needlebar and are cut off there.  Not sure why that changed or when.

Lots of other changes in various things, too, like the earlier boxes don't have a hole for the screw that holds down the cloth/seam guide to screw into.  And they also don't have a slot for the tip of the large screwdriver to slip into near the screw that holds down that spider clip.  And on and on....

I actually managed to snag an original manual for the Style 1 box off eBay when someone listed it, along with the box, at a BIN price.  Wow, I really didn't need another incomplete Style 1 box, but how could I not buy that manual????  Still waiting to find anything more than an undated flyer for the Style 2 box.  Would be SO nice to find something on that.  And we just recently found documentation that the box for the Model 24 was called the Style 15 box by Singer! 

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