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What vintage do you think this library table is? The hinge slots are not what I am used to seeing. The box is marked Singer. The side drawer has the oil can holder at the back. Priced at $35.

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What model do you think this cabinet accommodates?

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too new for my knowledge tree, but it does not look "Singerish" to me.
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Looks like a #40 to me made for full size, such as 66 or 15 variations
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It looks to me like a 301.  http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/singer-combination-table-301.html  for a 99 or 128.

There is also a 304 http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/304_cab.html for a 101.   I think the manual at ISMACS for the 101 has this table in the instruction manual.

(I'll probably delete this later -- but for now)  I am NOT affiliated with the above site.  Typing that just reminded me of a another post that got edited as I used "NOT" for emphasis.   Thanks again SteveH for having a site that adults can use some common sense when it comes to all caps.

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Thank you, Janey. I do have a 128 portable that would look stunning. Is this a friction fit?
I'd hate to have 30# of iron and wood dropping on to my feet. There is a curious spring hook mounted on the inside right of the cutout, pull it out, swivel it up. However the hook itself has very little clearance to actually catch or support sonething.

I need to measure the case and perhaps chase back.

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Dress guard is missing, spring support missing, hinge pins missing. This gets curiouser and curiouser.
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Yes, Janey is correct. The term for that particular piece of Singer furniture is the 'combination table' and depending on which side of the pond you search the model numbers vary.  That particular cabinet shown above was made around 1928 or after since it has the side drawer. Previous versions had a single pull out drawer similar to the early type 40. There were also two distinct methods of mounting the sewing machine. One involved a three piece folding insert that folded up and under along with the usual hinge pins for the machine, while the other version was designed to hold the entire bottom of a portable case. 

The way to distinguish between the two is that the later obviously has a larger opening and often the table does not include a knee control - since you already have a pedal with the portable. So check the underside for controls. =)

If you could show me that 'hook' I might be able to narrow it down. I have one of the post 28 Combo tables with the folding insert... so all I could do is compare mine to yours.

Want pictures? See: http://steelsewing.blogspot.com/2018/07/early-electric-singer-sewing-tables.html

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Your blog popped up on the top 5 just before you posted, Jim. Pm sent
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Once upon a time I made the top 5...

I should quit now. LOL!

Good luck with it.

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I decided Karma wanted me to bring that table home, since Jim was online and received my pm. So, I did.
Here is a photo of the underside of the cabinet, laying on its back. Looks like there are screw holes (lower right) for a spring support(?).

The odd spring loaded screw is at mid-right. There is a corresponding push button on the outside of the cabinet.

All the veneer is in good shape. There were 2 pieces of wafer wood in the hinged drawer, but that was not veneer.

Surface is decent, though dusty. Once cleaned, (and re-hinged) I'll place the 128 laVencendora in the table.

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I'm going to have to go take pictures now and see what is, and isn't like mine! =)
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Lori, I found the cabinet 306 instructions in a 101-4_12 manual. I got it about 5 years ago and I think you can get it at http://www.singerco.com/uploads/download/5ca5b5bf09dcfd3c76dc6d45f2a94ffa6bbd9e18.pdf and it shows the swing out side. The revision date is 1951 but the copyright date is 1936. It does not show the bottom like your picture but maybe it would help how to open it up. I'm sure Jim will be a better help.

Janey

ETA another 101 manual from 1921 can be found at http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/NMAHTEX/2682/

ETA Hopefully this will work better http://www.sil.si.edu/DigitalCollections/Trade-Literature/Sewing-Machines/NMAHTEX/2682/index.htm

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... The revision date is 1951 but the copyright date is 1936. ...
 


I assume you know that because the "(rev. 1151)" implies 1951?  I didn't know that before -- very useful.



I've just put a pdf of that 1921 version here, if anyone wants a copy:
http://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/tmp/z/singer_101_1921.pdf

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I assume you know that because the "(rev. 1151)" implies 1951?  I didn't know that before -- very useful.



I've just put a pdf of that 1921 version here, if anyone wants a copy:
http://www.foxharp.boston.ma.us/tmp/z/singer_101_1921.pdf

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Yes, (rev. 1151) is the revision date - November 1951 to be exact. There are some Singer copyright materials that have several years worth of copyright dates. I wish all the Singer stuff I found had that info on it. Many do, but some parts lists I have do not.

Thank you for the pdf. I'll have to wait until tomorrow. Time for me to get some sleep.

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Okay then... yes, the spring plate, hinge plate -whatever- is missing and you correctly identified the screw holes.
The pin pivot hinges are also missing and if you care to chase after the correct Singer parts (if I read the number correctly) it's Simanco 124467.

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Comobits.jpg 

The release button for the folding insert is located on the outside of the cabinet, on the right side, just under the lip. When you press this button on the outside... the lever moves on the inside to 'pop' up the first fold in the three-fold insert.

That 'pop' allows you to slip your fingers under the first third to begin the fold.

The two panels with the handgrip insets fold flat together.

There's a clip (A) and a post (B) that clip together.
When the first two panels are flat against each other, you can see this clip and pin.
The grouped panel 1 & 2 clip onto the post which is mounted on the 3rd panel.
It can feel weird or awkward because the clip may be stiff and you think you're forcing it too hard...
but you can see it... and once the clip goes over the post, your good.

Once those two fold against each other, the pair rolls under the third panel.
It just sort of hangs there at a slight diagonal.
It's at this point you can slip the third panel back down to flush with the table surface.
It has two metal clips that connect to corresponding slots on the side and that panel can not fold under the table surface.

Your cabinet appears to be complete except for the missing spring plate and mounting pin hinges.
I did see this yesterday which looks pretty close:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SINGER-SEWING-MACHINE-CABINET-HINGES-BRACKETS/292428021064?hash=item4416117d48:g:lb8AAOSwfoNabjqo

and there are some aftermarket replacement cabinet hinges for "Singer and Kenmore" cabinets available as new or replacement parts.


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Lori, I'm sure you probably had all this figured out before you left the store...
but for those who have never seen what happens:

Combo01.jpg 
Combo02.jpg  Combo03.jpg  Combo04.jpg  Combo05.jpg 
Combo06a.jpg   
Combo07.jpg  Combo08.jpg


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Thank you, all, for the research, photos, links, and how to's!
It's funny that I couldn't recognise the cabinet! The cabinet my 101 is in is the earlier style with cross brace, drawer, 50/50 split top, and a lovely 70s ivory oil paint patina.
Singers are generally less common here, as well. The majority of vsms I see here are Sears variety, and Domestic. So for moi, the cabinet was totally out of context. And I'm not sure WHY I never even thought of checking ismacs. Must have been acquisition fever.
I believe the cabinet was originally fitted for a cabinet configuration, and not a portable. There are additional screw holes on the inside front and right skirts, possibly for wire mounts?
I'm off to look at those hinges!


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Jim, take a look at the eBay listing, 2nd photo. The pin to the vsm is u shaped, and the area that the set pin contacts is a single face, rather than the full round. I contacted the seller for the simanco part number on the hinge. Fingers crossed!
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Lori, I'll email a few contacts as well.

Here's another ebay, might be the ones your looking for in the top right.

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Thanks again, Paul for putting the manual in pdf format.

I just edited my post to correct the link. I'll try to remember that one needs to add
"index.htm" to Smithsonian links.

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I'm struggling with what I am seeing on this listing of hinges. The seller is willing to split the listing.

The black hinges, upper right, just below the ziploc bag, appear similar to Jim's, however the pin is mounted perpendicular to the end of a U shaped section. 

Jim's photo shows the pin set at a right angle - a simple L shape that pivots at the corner of the L.

Are these hinges swappable?  I've been looking online for other listings, with and without the part number, and am not seeing anything like Jim's.

My other #40 library table is no help, it has the large round brass hinges common to many Singer cabinets.

Just want to add another Thank you! to Janey, Paul, and Jim!
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I may have to pop out the Supernova and look closer, but here is my hinge, versus closer pic of auction.

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and I do have feelers out to several other vsm friends,

keeping fingers crossed.

I have one other option that I have not yet pursued.
I have no idea what they might want for it,
It's an easy 25 minute drive, but wow, considering that condition?
Well, it looks like 'parts' to me.

https://us.letgo.com/en/i/singer-sewing-machine_60fa752a-e56f-4251-a9ad-63124925adf5






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Jim, yikes! It is rough. The hinge area is very noticeable, could this one be the brass round hinges?

I appreciate the offer, but it's a lot of chasing for a maybe.

I did ask the seller for part #, but haven't heard back yet.

Without having seen either hinge style in person, I am having difficulty understanding if the seller's hinge provides the same clearance. It could be, perhaps it is an earlier style.

Does anyone know what the hinge style is on a Singer drawing room or parlor style cabinet?

I'm not quite the purist. I would imagine reinforcing and redrilling for the round brass hinges is possible and not too difficult.

In other news, I found a dress guard for a #40, reasonable price and free shipping. It has the single screw hinges and the chain. The #40 library has double screw holes for the dress guard. If the part won't fit the library table, I have a newer #40 standard cabinet it will fit.

Again, huge thanks for the searching and the research!

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Seller could not find Singer part number on the hinge with U shaped pins.
Back to searching and waiting!

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Okay, I sat down and took a good look. The squareness of the back of the Singer hinge fits exactly into the cut-out on the table. If I removed the hinges, that square shape would remain, but... I just so happened to pick up a beat-up old machine table with Kenmore labels and these hinges:

IMG_4116.jpg 

They 'appear' to be able to fit in that space, and will probably work. My concerns would be that the holes may or may not line up below so there may need to be some filling and new holes drilled. The Kenmore hinges do have a little lip at the end of the post, which should ensure the machine stays in place when tilted in the downward position. Also, after examining the folding bits, I don't see why these hinges wouldn't work.

The table they came from is leaving (I'm giving it to Zorba to paint). If you'd like to try the hinges, lemme know.


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Sorry, My sense of humor is probably off. Still feeling the post-shadow of Mercury in retrograde and with Jupiter going direct today in opposition with Ceres. It a wonder I can type. Think I'll just hide under the covers for a week or two... and, just so you know, the wood really was bad.
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Still feeling the post-shadow of Mercury in retrograde and with Jupiter going direct today in opposition with Ceres.

Ah, that explains it. No wonder the last few days have been crappy. Today's disaster? One obstinate two year old + a big bottle of red Gatorade = needing my carpet cleaned.

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That was the WORST Mercury Retrograde I think I've ever been through.
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Zorba, don't you have a chalk-painted table flinger, for target practice? It wouldn't be sporting to shoot it on the ground. [wink]
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Jim, PM sent.
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Zorba, don't you have a chalk-painted table flinger, for target practice? It wouldn't be sporting to shoot it on the ground. [wink]


I go to a shooting event every year, and know a bunch of rednecks that would love to gun down a table like that!

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Here's my 115 in the combo table. Hinges from Jim/SteelSewing. DH made the cuts and installed the hinges. Looks good in the living room. The first machine to have escaped from the basement!

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Lori, that's really nice looking!  Nice work.
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Looks great Lori!
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Machine and cabinet are a great pair and look beautiful together - nice they are in your living room - all the better to enjoy them.
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Very nice Lori!
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Beautiful, Lori, just beautiful!
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Thank you, all. All I did was clean the two up and marry them.
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