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I decided to start a thread on the Singer 24 (since I just got one). There has already been a good discussion of the tensioner, and folks have shared manuals, and parts lists over on the Today's Sewing Adventure thread. And there are other threads & posts on this forum about the 24, so I thought it might be nice to have a place to consolidate information on this machine. Not to mention, I know I'll have a few more questions.
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Other VSS Threads and Posts on the Singer 24

Discussions of the tensioner on Today's Sewing Machine Adventure thread.
https://www.victoriansweatshop.com/post/todays-sewing-machine-adventure-7896128?&trail=6600

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tension issues on an 1896 Singer 24
 
Somewhat mysterious Singer model 24
 
Singer 24 chainstitch treadle
 
Singer Style 15 Puzzle Box is for the Model 24 Machine
 
Model 24 manual and puzzle box instructions
 
Singer 24 Puzzle Box Manual Scan?
 
Singer 24

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Manuals, Parts Lists, Other Documentation
Links to documentation on the Singer 24.
In some cases, multiple copies in different location are listed, in case some become unavailable.
 
From the VSS manual section
 


From johnstuart
The Singer 24 started off life as the ACS machine seen here or Automatic Chain Stitch. Earliest 1200 stitch per minute were also called lightning stitch machines in Singer brochures, later became 24-7. By 1893 the columbian exposition paper has it as an automatic tension here.
 
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Illustrated parts list covering the Singer models 24-1, 24-2, 24-20, 24-24, 24-30, 24-50 and 24-51, including the treadle table.
http://hensewfiles.com/PDFs/SINGER%2024-1.pdf
 
Puzzle box
 
 
I will keep this list updated as folks contribute additional resources

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My 1898 Singer 24 Treadle, I will post updates as I restore the treadle table. 
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IMG_2974.jpg  IMG_2972.jpg
I hope other folks will post pictures of their 24s, so that we have pictures of an array of machines in one spot.  I know, I love to look a pictures of folks machines.


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Question - Rubber Check Ball - Wheel stop?

In the manuals for the 24 a rubber check ball is mentioned, which I didn't pay much attention to since other things about the machine were keeping me occupied.

But the other day in a thread on building a treadle this kind of wheel stop was mentioned. So I took a look, and found the "cage" for the check ball and of course there is no ball.

I've searched the web, but haven't found any information on an appropriate replacement. Would something like a superball work?  Does anyone know what the diameter should be? 

Since I have no experience treadling, I think I should probably take care of this before I start using the machine.  I haven't really stitched on the 24 yet, since the leather belt wasn't in as good of shape as I thought it was, and it broke when I tried to shorten it.

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The ball is nice to have, but not critical -- I sewed on my W&G quite a bit before I finally got one.  That being said, I had  trouble just "finding" one, so I got mine from McMaster-Carr:
https://www.mcmaster.com/1854T58/   Folks on FB say the 24 takes the same 3/4" ball.  


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Those links to Singer 24 manuals on my server will expire in a couple of months.  The third one (the parts list) is redundant, but maybe we could get Steve to put the others in the Manuals section.



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Those links to Singer 24 manuals on my server will expire in a couple of months.  


Since they were in a temp directory I wondered if that would be the case.  I think adding them to the manual section would be great. 

The manual I have from March 27, 1912, appears to be a reissue of the 24-50 manual are ready posted to the manual section.  The only difference that I can see is in the attachments section it has a tin [(35867 complete set), (35866 box with racks) rather than a puzzle box, the part numbers for the attachments themselves haven't changed.  So maybe I should just scan the two pages that are different, and see if they can be added as an addendum to the manual that is already posted.

Thanks by the way for the 1895, manual.  It gives the part numbers for the attachments that I think will work on my machine.  Not that I am holding my breath for back-clamp 24 attachments, but it is nice to have the part numbers just in case.

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The ball is nice to have, but not critical -- I sewed on my W&G quite a bit before I finally got one.  

How big of a problem will I create if I treadle backwards on this machine?  Remember I am a complete treadling newbie.

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What Jim said.  But mainly you'll create a snarl, break your thread, and generally ruin your chill vibe.
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Jim,

I can always count on you to put things into perspective.[tongue]

Thanks Paul, I assumed that I would just end up with a snarl. This machine has lasted more than 120 years, so I know she's not as delicate as she looks. But I feel rather protective of this little baby and wanted to make sure I didn't cause any damage.

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I put a new treadle belt on the machine this evening.  I used aquarium airline tubing and it seems to be working well.

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Practiced treadling without needle and thread for awhile, then decided to see if she would stitch, and she does!  Stitches look good, a bit small perhaps.  When I had the stitches set to 12 per inch, it was more like 16 per inch.  So I'll have to look into that, but I'm happy she sews.

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I definitely need practice treadling, it's hard to keep it going in the right direction.


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That's great!  Thinking about it, it might be that one of the reasons those machines have brakes is that they lack the big hand wheel that you can usually grab and shove to get things going in the right direction.  I'd forgotten about that aspect before.  (I know one isn't supposed to have to shove the wheel to get going, but I sure do!)

Where did you get your aquarium tubing?  I have a little bit of another type of old tubing that I've been using for temporary belts, but I think I'm out of long pieces...

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The tiny little hand wheel on the 24 doesn't give you much to shove, that's for sure. I must admit I've been giving the fly wheel on the treadle a nudge to get the pedal in a good position. Zipping along a quick pace is easy, I'm trying to practice slow treadling, and starting & stopping. When I actually tried sewing, I only managed a few inches before she reversed course on me.

I got the aquarium tubing a the local pet store. I didn't have any longer pieces in my aquarium supplies.

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The ball is nice to have, but not critical -- I sewed on my W&G quite a bit before I finally got one.  That being said, I had  trouble just "finding" one, so I got mine from McMaster-Carr:
https://www.mcmaster.com/1854T58/   Folks on FB say the 24 takes the same 3/4" ball.  



Paul,

Do you recall the price of the 3/4" balls with shipping?  Last time I tried McMaster they wanted my card number before quoting me the shipping cost.  This was a couple years ago.  There is quite a bit of stuff I'd like to get from there as they have about everything.

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Paul,

Do you recall the price of the 3/4" balls with shipping?  Last time I tried McMaster they wanted my card number before quoting me the shipping cost.  This was a couple years ago.  There is quite a bit of stuff I'd like to get from there as they have about everything.

Jon


The first time I ordered, many years ago, I gulped as I ordered online without knowing the shipping cost.  But when I got the bill it didn't seem unreasonable, and I've never worried about it since.
I went and checked my statements.  I've ordered from them 5 times in the last couple of years.  Shipping seems to go by size and weight.  It's always been between $6 and $9:
  • In January I ordered 3 brake balls and a 1' length of 1/4" brass bar stock.  Order total was $16.76.  My card was charged $25.90, so $9.14 shipping.
  • In December 2018 I ordered a pack of 25 rubber feet (for my W&G American HC base -- they fit perfectly!) for $5.75.  My card was charged 13.08, so 7.33 shipping.
  • In May 2018 I ordered some miscellaneous stuff for $20.29 (a couple of sheets of bakelite), and they charged my card 28.24, so 7.95 shipping
  • In January 2018 I ordered twice:  an order for 11.82 became 17.78 ($5.96 shipping), and an order for 19.32 became 25.28 ($5.96 shipping)

They're not out to gouge.

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TTatummm, you asked about photos.  Here's my little girl.  She's tons of fun and I was so very lucky to get her!  Should add that she does have her hinged top.  It's off so she can fit into the space I have for her. You can tell from the picture the head lowers into the cabinet.  Her SN dates her lot of 24s to 1903.  Hope you have a blast with yours😉
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Katrene,

What a pretty machine and such a lovely cabinet.  I am having fun with my little 24, and I'm kinda getting into this treadling thing.  Funny, I always thought I would be an electric only gal, but I'm beginning to understand the attraction of treadles.

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Paul,

McMaster Carr shipping info much appreciated.

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I'm working on cleaning up the shiny bits on Singer 24. Taking off the top part of the tensioner (that is kind like a leaf tensioner) is very straight forward.  But how do you remove this part?

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If it's at all like mine (and that part looks at least a little the same) then you just unscrew the big nut.  There's stuff screwed into the back which will come out with it.

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