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Hola, en primer lugar aprecio que me permitas estar en este agradable foro. Hace un tiempo adquirí un cantante 15-1 año 1883, poco a poco lo he estado restaurando. Sin embargo, tengo dos problemas, espero que me ayudes. yo:
1.- No he podido quitar el volante, no veo la forma, no es como la mayoría de las máquinas, espero que alguno de ustedes me diga cómo hacerlo.
2.- He estado viendo imágenes del 15-1 y tengo la duda de si son las letras originales. en mi punto de vista, en algún momento de su vida, los adornos fueron cambiados y tengo la idea de volver a pintarlos ya que la pintura está bastante dañada.
 Espero que su ayuda resuelva mis dudas, les dejo algunas fotos de la máquina. Gracias de antemano por su atención.

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Hello, first of all I appreciate that you allow me to be in this nice forum. A while ago I acquired a singer 15-1 year 1883, little by little I have been restoring it. However, I have two problems, I hope you help me. I:
1.- I have not been able to remove the steering wheel, I do not see the shape, it's not like most machines, I hope that one of you will tell me how to do it.
2.- I have been seeing images of 15-1 and I have the doubt if they are the original letters. In my point of view, at some point in his life, the ornaments were changed and I have the idea of repainting them since the painting is quite damaged.
  I hope your help resolves my doubts, I leave some photos of the machine. Thanks beforehand for your attention.

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To get the hand wheel running and the rest of the machine to stand still it's usually about persistant oiling and running the machine. In some cases you need to keep it up for days and weeks. It can take time to get enough oil to the inner parts of turn axle and wheel hub, as weel as the stop motion (clutch) parts. You might as well take it appart and get it right at once. I like teflon oils for this, like Triflow and Finish Line Ceramic Wet Lube, it gives extra smoothness that last. I had a stubborn case with a 201K, and after I applied a good layer of oil both to the turning axle and the inner hub of the hand wheel it has behaved well since.

To get it off; is there a grub screw on the outer part of the stop motion knob? Maybe something on the side? It looks like it moves in and out of position like it should. All it might need are oil and a bit of testing to figure out how it works. All I found during a web search was a possibly identical hand wheel to yours on Helen Howes pages; if noone else replies you might ask her. She knows a lot about the older machines.


The decals on your machine are called Tiffany, some call it Gingerbread. They are available if you like to refinish the machine completely. The japanning on your machine shows it's age but it's in  nice enough condition to keep it as it is too. Your 15 a lucky find, the early 15s aren't very common and the fiddle base look very good.
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This is a rare transition Singer IF, just prior to it being a "15-1"

Need

1: a picture of the needle plate

2: picture of the feed dog

3: picture of the shuttle system type.

4: a picture of the tensioner/faceplate.

5: picture of the serial number

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Your machine is older than my Improved Family, and has the stop motion part (on the hand wheel) like an earlier type of Singer - the Singer 12k/New Family machines.

It's actually a pretty nice design. I wish I could find an early one like yours.

I'm not sure how to get it removed, but you can see in the photo on this page:

http://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/images/12kstopmotion-02-200.jpg
http://www.singersewinginfo.co.uk/12/

and in the instructions for the Singer 12 here:

http://needlebar.org/main/manuals/singer12k/index.html


 

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Hi Andy.  Welcome to the board.

To research your 15-1 you should look for information about "Improved Family" or just "IF".  The "15" series name didn't come into wide use until the later models.

I have a couple of IFs and the the release knob on the handwheel with them is that it is pretty darn impractical to remove. 

I think I have an adjusters manual somewhere, if I find it I will send it along to you, but it probably have a lot of wrong information.  The IFs were never really finalized until I think the 1890s.  Every year saw different changes to them.  My own 1883 is markedly different than my 1884.

But I have never even attempted to take the hand wheels off.  I was told by someone who knows how to work on them a lot better than me that it is a "you have break it to fix it" piece.

Enjoy your find.

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Andy, this is what you bobbin cover plate looks like with correct date on it, your plate is missing. IMG_0703 (1).jpg  Hard to tell, but it says Pat'd 1881.

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On the second look it seems like the oil points are quite large near the hand wheel and turning axle (or maybe rod is more correct term?). A clever trick is to simply tilt the machine towards the right, apply oil as you turn the machine. With a bit of luck it might be easier on your improved family than on the later models.
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Google translation turned out more than a bit weird, I struggle enough with English and German, Spanish is unfortunately out of my reach.
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Thank you all for your support, unfortunately I am a bit clumsy to answer each one:
Mickey, the steering wheel turns perfectly, but I can not find any insurance to remove it.
johnstuart, here are the images of the machine, I do not have the original slide and the feeddog is broken, it still works.
Madmurdock, a friendly greeting, the machine is far from the 12, I read and it's different.
David, that manual would be excellent, greetings.
Again, I appreciate your patience.

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Madmurdock, a friendly greeting, the machine is far from the 12, I read and it's different.



Yes, the machine is totally different, it's just the hand wheel knob that is the same style.


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I do not have the original slide and the feeddog is broken, it still works.


I will still send you the feed dog. Did you need the slide plate as well? Are you missing any other parts?

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That is a Singer IF, the regular domestic one. The " Tiffany / Gingerbread" decals are for use on the square based machines from later. That would be a factory refurbish machine from after world war 1 for the decals. This is the only 1883 Singer Improved Family or the large Improved Manufacture without a presser foot bar without the bar spring, but uses a coil spring like later machines 1884 up. This is the only machine from 1883 that uses that type of stop motion system i have seen on the hand wheel. This is the only post ww1 refurbish from the factory i have seen on an Improved Family from the factory.

Very rare historically important Singer Improved Family from 1883. It is different from the other 1883 Singers currently known.

Don't take the hand wheel off the machine. To take off that wheel you need a wheel puller and a press to put that back in. The press must have a center adapter to prevent the cone press from ruining the threads of the stop motion device that is like the Singer 12 machine's mentioned by madmurdock75.

Andy your machine should have parts inside looking like this for the 1883 presser bar spring IMG_0685 (1).jpg  but your's is the newest type for 1884, previously unknown.
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Yes, the machine is totally different, it's just the hand wheel knob that is the same style.




I will still send you the feed dog. Did you need the slide plate as well? Are you missing any other parts?


Oh yes, that piece is also missing, I would be immensely happy
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All right, I will send that as well.
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johnstuart, this is the machine inside

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Madmurdock75 Andy needs a bobbin winder as well. not the one i need, but the older type like this  IMG_0663 (1).jpg    but the domestic one with the bracket that goes under the hand wheel, from the pictures he sent. He has an improper Singer 15-88 bobbin plate. That is too short.

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The bobbin winder Andy needs looks like the BW233 listing Helen Howes in Brittan has here http://www.helenhowes-sewingmachines.co.uk/winders.html I think this is the exact one or similar.

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Andy, that is the earliest known of that type of Singer Improved Family for sure. The insides look like the year after in 1884. You should share with the international sewing machine collectors society, ISMACS and show what you found!!!

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[QUOTE = johnstuart] Andy, ese es el más antiguo conocido de ese tipo de Singer Improved Family con seguridad. El interior se parece al año siguiente en 1884. ¡Debe compartir con la sociedad internacional de recolectores de máquinas de coser, ISMACS y mostrar lo que encontró!

  John Stuart [/ CITA]


It is impressive to realize that in reality there are people who have love and pleasure for these machines, these days I have learned a lot from you, the steering wheel will leave you alone, the painting remains as it is, I will try to finish with the mechanical issue for now Thanks John Stuart
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Madmurdock75 Andy needs a bobbin winder as well. not the one i need, but the older type like this  IMG_0663 (1).jpg    but the domestic one with the bracket that goes under the hand wheel, from the pictures he sent. He has an improper Singer 15-88 bobbin plate. That is too short.

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The only bobbin winder of that type that I have is actually from an Improved Manufacturing (1888). I don't know if that will work? Is it the same?

Also, did you want that 1888 domestic IF bobbin winder (from the other thread)?

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[QUOTE = Madmurdock75] De acuerdo, también enviaré eso. [/ QUOTE]

I just hope to have the amount of the shipment, thanks Madmurdock
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Yes i would still love to get the 1888 IF bobbin winder.

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Hi. I would like to thank Madmurdock for this, since with the help of some spare parts he made possible the restoration of 15-1.
Madmurdock, I hope someday to correspond to such a nice gift.
Merry Christmas to all!

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I also would like to thank Madmurdoc for the bobbin winder.

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No problem at all! i'm so happy everything arrived. 

I know how hard it is to get parts for anything out of the ordinary, so I try to help when I can. 

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Hello, well, at the end of the Singer 15-1 machine re-started feed dog and sliding plate, I also made a small wooden base, thanks to those who helped me especially Madmurdock.
Now I'm thinking about how to make it sew, a pedal furniture would be practically impossible, I think a small engine would fit, I also have the idea of repainting and decorating it, but hey, it will be for the new year.
I take this opportunity to wish you a merry Christmas and a pleasant new year, greetings.

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Es un machina muy bonita.  Las gente aqui conocen a fonda and tienen grande generoso.  
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Very nice!
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Thank you for sharing. I love the sound of a machine restored to working condition!
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Beautiful!
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Those are rare decals, i wouldn't touch them at all. I don't think there are any examples around with that decal on it. Also the early letter type for the top Singer manufacture decals. There are a lot of newer machines with those decals, but not Singer IF machines. It sews very good with nice even feed too, very good job getting that to sew so good.

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decided, so will stay, thank you.
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Quote:
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.....I love the sound of a machine restored to working condition!


Especially when there’s no annoying motor sound!

I do a lot of my sewing like Andy does - “1:1 ratio fingertip control”.

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Hello, I hope this new year is one of peace and happiness for all of you.
Investigating a bit about everything that has happened since they made the singer 15 IF I realize that this machine has experienced many important events, from the great eruption of the Krakatoa volcano, through the first models of cars, the championship of John L. Sullivan, the death of the great musician Richard Wagner and is only an example of what he learned in 1883, let us imagine then all the fashion that has gone through this old machine.
Then I realize that just like you we have a piece of history adorning a corner of the house.
I hope not to be inconvenient but I felt the need to write this which for me is very important and I wanted to share with you.
Greetings to all.

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It really is fantastic to be able to have something with that kind of history!
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Not inconvenient at all and your words beautifully describe the history the machine has seen.

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