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I've been struggling with this for quite a while. I'm not a collector by nature, but I've acquired a collection somehow. All of my machines work, but I find I always go to my industrials for any real sewing.

My space is REALLY limited, and I could undeniably use the money if I did sell off my machines, as I will have to pay some substantial vet bills pretty soon. I am starting to question whether it makes sense to keep all of my machines just because I think they're pretty, or I won't be able to get it again.

Has anyone sold off their collection and regretted it? Been happy about it?

What about attachments? I'm scared to sell on eBay, but I do have one rare-ish attachment that would really help with vet bills, but I'm not sure if trying to sell something that specific on Craigslist would even work?



I hope this doesn't break any rules, but you are the only ones who would understand. My husband just says to do whatever I want, which is nice I guess, but not helpful for decision making.

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Sigh. I'm struggling with this too. I keep saying I'm gonna thin my herd but I've yet to do it.

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I just go with how I feel at the time.  If I am feeling burdened by too many machines I sell some.  If I see something I want I get it.  There aren't many that I want these days. I also try to keep to the one in -one out plan.  That way I'm not increasing their numbers!  I have no interest in selling off any I use, there are plenty I don't use but enjoy owning so they can stay, at least for as long as I am enjoying having them.  There are always ones that are less favorites-stinky cases, stinky motors, not the prettiest stitch, just those little things that make them less desirable.  [wink]

The hard ones for me to sell are the treadles.  I want to be sure whoever I sell them to is not going to toss the machine at the dump and get artsy fartsy with the irons sticking God knows what on top of them. [nono] I'm just not a fan of that.  

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The hard ones for me to sell are the treadles.  I want to be sure whoever I sell them to is not going to toss the machine at the dump and get artsy fartsy with the irons sticking God knows what on top of them.


Yep, if I sold anything it would be mostly treadles. [frown]

And, all of my machines work, pretty nicely, I think.

WHICH JUST MAKES IT WORSE!

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And so, when you do sell them, what have you found to be the best venue?
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Well, for me it has only been Craigslist in the past. But those ones were different. They weren't ones I was attached to.
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If the machine or attachment is under $1000 I'd say Ebay if you are willing to take lots of good pictures and ship it, or Craigslist if not.

If it is worth over $1000 we could approach Mike @ Wolfegangs

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Well, for me it has only been Craigslist in the past. But those ones were different. They weren't ones I was attached to.


Since my Craigslist scare, there have been comments about meeting people from C/L away from your house.  I have to ask you, when you sell treadles do you think that feasible?

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If the machine or attachment is under $1000 I'd say Ebay if you are willing to take lots of good pictures and ship it, or Craigslist if not.

If it is worth over $1000 we could approach Mike @ Wolfegangs


Ha! I don't know if anything I own is worth over $1000! The attachment is a style-o-matic foot, and the machines in question are all of my Improved Family machines, my Improved Manufacturing, that sort of thing. Definitely not rare or perfect condition ones (though they all sew!), especially to most of the people on this forum.

I've never sold on eBay. I don't drive and work weird hours, so I have to do a lot of planning to get things to the post office. And, if anything went wrong during shipping, or an unscrupulous buyer, I'd be out the money and the thing.

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Since my Craigslist scare, there have been comments about meeting people from C/L away from your house.  I have to ask you, when you sell treadles do you think that feasible?


I don't drive, so when I've sold machines I've always had them come to the house. Except one time I got my husband to take me to hand off a portable to a truck driver in a parking lot.

I don't give out my address until there's already been some conversation (most people can't hide crazy very well), and not until the last possible moment. And, if they were inclined to try anything, the large dogs and the other people living in the house might make them think twice.

Most of the CL buyers have been more scared of me! I had one thank me for not being a CL psycho, and quite a lot of them are visibly terrified to be meeting someone from the internet. On dry days I can take even a treadle outside, so they never even come in.

I forgot! I did have someone load a treadle in the back of a truck to meet me and my husband somewhere, so it is doable.

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Makes you wonder about cons and scammers, doesn't it?

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I just got an email this morning from ???person.  Sent from Phone.  Photo/I.D. of a woman and baby.  Here's what the person wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

Hi I am wondering if you could help me I have a old Victorian defiance sewing machine... I see that you have a lot about then .. we have no idea wat to do with it..if you could give me a little more information on this and wat it’s worth I would be very grateful.. iyl send a couple of photos with this .. thank you for your time

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Makes you wonder about cons and scammers, doesn't it?

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I just got an email this morning from ???person.  Sent from Phone.  Photo/I.D. of a woman and baby.  Here's what the person wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

Hi I am wondering if you could help me I have a old Victorian defiance sewing machine... I see that you have a lot about then .. we have no idea wat to do with it..if you could give me a little more information on this and wat it’s worth I would be very grateful.. iyl send a couple of photos with this .. thank you for your time

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That's a strange one!

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Makes you wonder about cons and scammers, doesn't it?

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I just got an email this morning from ???person.  Sent from Phone.  Photo/I.D. of a woman and baby.  Here's what the person wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

Hi I am wondering if you could help me I have a old Victorian defiance sewing machine... I see that you have a lot about then .. we have no idea wat to do with it..if you could give me a little more information on this and wat it’s worth I would be very grateful.. iyl send a couple of photos with this .. thank you for your time

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I've had people ask about machines they have before.  In one case it was a Two Spool and I thought they were trying to find out a dollar amount they could sell it for.  After I spoke with them, they were excited to have it and planned to get it up and running and use it.  

Misspellings are so common with the whole spell check thing on phones.  I hate to say it, but in my experience many young adults have very poor spelling anymore.

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I don't drive, so when I've sold machines I've always had them come to the house. Except one time I got my husband to take me to hand off a portable to a truck driver in a parking lot.

I don't give out my address until there's already been some conversation (most people can't hide crazy very well), and not until the last possible moment. And, if they were inclined to try anything, the large dogs and the other people living in the house might make them think twice.

Most of the CL buyers have been more scared of me! I had one thank me for not being a CL psycho, and quite a lot of them are visibly terrified to be meeting someone from the internet. On dry days I can take even a treadle outside, so they never even come in.

I forgot! I did have someone load a treadle in the back of a truck to meet me and my husband somewhere, so it is doable.


It's doable, BUT not practical for me.  Most of the machines I sell aren't rare or fabulous such as would attract the attention of collectors.  Most often my buyers are beginners at sewing or are attracted to the idea of using a treadle.  They want to see the machine set up and have a chance to try it before buying.  I usually talk to them a bit first to get an idea of who they are before setting up a meeting.

I don't have people into my garage or wandering about the house.  I only allow them into the front room and usually have removed anything I don't want them seeing.  I'm a very private person!  

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It's doable, BUT not practical for me.  Most of the machines I sell aren't rare or fabulous such as would attract the attention of collectors.  Most often my buyers are beginners at sewing or are attracted to the idea of using a treadle.  They want to see the machine set up and have a chance to try it before buying.  I usually talk to them a bit first to get an idea of who they are before setting up a meeting.

I don't have people into my garage or wandering about the house.  I only allow them into the front room and usually have removed anything I don't want them seeing.  I'm a very private person!  


Yes, I move anything out to the living room if I have to have people in the house. My things aren't generally exciting enough for collectors either. I have the machine threaded and a bit of fabric ready so they can try it out. I have to say, most of the CL sewing machine buyers I've dealt with have been great. 

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Because I've recently thinned my herd by about 45 machines, including treadles, cabinets, handcranks and loose heads, I'll tell you my experience in my area.

We live in a not-very-well-off county, so selling machines to ANYONE within a reasonable distance is iffy.  You can watch our Craigslistings and see that people try to sell machines for a very VERY long time.  Listing machines on Craigslist requires pictures, descriptions and a willingness to let people come to your home.  If you have lots of machines and had any interest, it could be lots of people.  Not a fan.

Most of the machines I thinned were of a better quality/value/condition than many I see out there.  I had unusual ones in that none of them were particularly common - not rare, just not the usual Singer 66 or 99, White or New Home.

My solution:  I offered them to a local museum who were THRILLED to get them.  Did it hurt to part with them?  Yeah.  I won't lie.  I still like them a lot, but we're planning to move and I was overwhelmed besides.  I am happy they have gone where they'll be seen/appreciated by many.  Approximately 15 were treadles.  About 3 actual hand cranks and around 12 or so electric or just heads.

If you've ever (correctly) packed a machine for Ebay, you know that you have to have TWO very solid cardboard boxes, LOTS of bubble wrap, cling wrap, packing tape, air-packets and packing peanuts (I zip them into ziploc bags so they do their job correctly).  You also have to handle that machine a ton while you roll it and wrap it...weigh it and haul it to the post office.  I'm just not built for that kind of lifting anymore!

All that said, I kept my 'rare' or uncommon machines (Moldacot, Linnea, New England style hand crank, child's treadle, Jones serpentine and about 40 more...) and I would sell them before I'd give them away, but they'd be worth the time & effort.  Just my experience recently.


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Wow, hilltophomesteader, your collection was and is impressive!

Mine is very small, and not museum quality. That's when it gets difficult for me- I'm emotionally attached to them, and random strangers aren't going to feel the same way.

I have up to four treadles that might go- all Improved Family/Improved Manufacturing, one or two electric zz machines (not in tables), and the couple hand cranks I haven't decided about. One is for an Improved Family and one is for a New Family. Those don't take up much space, but I also haven't been using them. I don't think I'd be able to find another IF hand crank assembly ever, though.

I think I will try to sell the style-o-matic foot. My sewing is very plain and practical, so it's unlikely I will use it much at all.

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My goal is to sew a project on each machine I rehab. Then I can decide if I bond. It'll take years to finalize my decisions! The pretty treadle heads will likely stay, tho I only have 5 of those. And the 128s and 99s, they don't take up much space.
I'm pretty sure the 15-90 will go, (as well as the 15-91) that thing is crazy fast and powerful. The knee bar doesn't fit well to my leg, as if the curve is too low. (I'll still have the -75 and -125)
It's likely just the difference as compared to the 301, my go to machine.
I'm trying out the 66 now, steady, but vibrates more at higher speeds. Good straight feed draw. The 201 needs work, that I expect I'll keep.

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My goal is to sew a project on each machine I rehab. Then I can decide if I bond. It'll take years to finalize my decisions! The pretty treadle heads will likely stay, tho I only have 5 of those. And the 128s and 99s, they don't take up much space.
I'm pretty sure the 15-90 will go, (as well as the 15-91) that thing is crazy fast and powerful. The knee bar doesn't fit well to my leg, as if the curve is too low. (I'll still have the -75 and -125)
It's likely just the difference as compared to the 301, my go to machine.
I'm trying out the 66 now, steady, but vibrates more at higher speeds. Good straight feed draw. The 201 needs work, that I expect I'll keep.


My 301 is my go-to machine too.  I've never had so grand a plan as to sew a project with each machine, but I do BIG quilts and not too many small projects.  I've been quite surprised by a few that I thought I'd really love, when I finally decided we just never bonded.  Those ones can be hard to let go of!  

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Hello group,  If the machines are not high value my assumption is that space might be a bigger consideration than the money but bills are/arghh bills.  I can resonate with the comment about using industrials more and more as we have several dozen industrials.  However, I am always reminding myself the reason why I bought industrials and that is to sew heavy weight materials (actually medium weight denim with it's seams and sometimes heavier).  We use our Singer 201k-23 on a very regular basis as my wife uses it to sew the kids stuff and school uniforms.  However she stopped using the domestic serger (a very nice one with zero problems) and always goes for the well tuned circa 1964 Merrow m-3dw-4 for all her serging.  I remind myself how well the domestics work for light duty and are very comfortable to use compared to our Juki single needle high speed industrials on light cloth.  For zig zag I find myself using the Juki lz-391 set up with the knee controlling the zig zag width....it's a workhorse and very versatile.  So I use both to some extent but lean towards industrials whilst the Mrs. goes to the 201k-23 for most.  We have a collection of unused machines here also.  My recommendation with all that said is if you have a machine that really is duplicated elsewhere and you are not so fond of then let it be free and see how it goes without it and if you regret it maybe keeping the rest and if no regrets then maybe one more to see how that goes.  Best regards, Mike
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"if you regret it maybe keeping the rest and if no regrets then maybe one more to see how that goes.  Best regards, Mike


Good point, Mike!  I'm finding that as I, shall we say...fine tune my collection, it frees me up to really SEE the ones that are left and realize that there aren't all that many that I'm seriously attached to (only 50 or so, lol).  Now that I've 're-homed' about 40 machines, I'm seeing yet a few more now that I could still live without.  Guess I'm not done downsizing yet!


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"only 50 or so".   LOL!!
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Heather is fond of reminding me "another will come along"
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Secretly, I keep telling myself that by getting rid of so many (especially treadles), I will later 'allow' myself a consolation prize or two, lol!
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Although I have not sold any, of yet, I have bought many. So, other collectors have sold them to me and other. Where? At TOGAs.

I saw 2 handcranks for sale on a not so close, but not over 1 day drive on Craigslist, realized it was the same seller and asked if they would give a discount if both were purchased. Seller replied, is this MY Maria! Turned out to be a person I see at 2 Togas. So now I need to get together to pick up 2 HCs. One she has that I paid for from another collector and the 2 she is holding for me. We will either get together by my driving up on a nice day or hold until next toga we will see in other at. 

People just bring bunch of things to sell. I've seen some machines sold before they even get to the event hall. Seen in or out of a car at the hotel. Or, better yet, list and show pictures beforehand. Then people select what they are willing to purchase based on description and price and bingo! Friends have brought or picked up machines for others as well. Even if out of state. In my case Togas are North Carolina, Tennessee ( in 2019 moved to Heart of Dixie, in Alabama) and Lancaster PA. 

I am hoping to have mini gatherings here in East Tennessee and have opened my home to others who have contacted me as the TreadleOn contact for this part of the state.  

I have had MANY (as many as 8) surgeries on my hands, latest just days before this past Christmas, so while I have a large collection, many many machines still need cleaning and work. Currently I am unable to lift anything heavy.

I think this venue has a section to list items. So does TreadleOn. 

Even if no gatherings in your area, I would encourage you to reach out to others passing where you are or in your area, who are attending gatherings. Dealing with other collectors IS the best route in my opinion. I bet others here agree. 

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TOGA's are the best!  That is where I found the 1857 Wheeler & Wilson.   It was not for sale because the owner figured nobody would want a rusty old machine with a broken feed dog arm.  Silly humans...
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I have not been able to get to a TOGA yet! I don't drive, and work long (graveyard) hours on the weekends. The last time there was one in my city, I meant to go but at the last minute couldn't get the time off. Maybe someday I'll meet collectors IRL, but my schedule is kind of against me right now. 
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I regularly sell things on Craigslist and FB Marketplace. Not only vintage and antique sewing machines, but I also own a rabbitry and CL is my main source for selling bunnies. Because I'm single, I do my best to arrange to have at least one large male in my home every time someone comes over. I've never had an issue, but neither am I ever entirely comfortable with the situation. Idaho is an isolated region though, so I don't have many options. No TOGA, and our flea markets have largely disappeared in the last five or so years.

As for what to keep/sell, I base it purely on attachment. There are machines I bring home purely to rehab and rehome, machines I buy for me, and machines that I'm undecided on, but require rescuing. By the time their rehab is complete, I always know if it's staying or going. Granted, that has gotten trickier as my life has become busier. I've considered letting some go before I rehab them, because I want the space back. So far, I haven't been able to bear parting with an unfinished project that someone else may mangle or turn into a lamp. (This is Idaho. A tractor is more likely.)

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I made my decision! But now, to get someone interested in them...
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Maybe see if your TOGA group might be interested in a mid week event?
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Make the contacts with us online folks. List your items. Some folks buy unseen in person, then have them delivered by folks travelling.
I did have 2 mailed from a collector in Texas to Tennessee. But would not recommend that. Lots of work to pack it right.

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Donna,

There is a vintage sewing group called "Treadle On".  The members plan and host regional get togethers fairly often.  They are called TOGAs (Treadle On Gathering and Academy).

You can read more about it here: http://www.treadleon.net/ (there is a mailing list you can join).

Most of the TOGAs are regional in nature.  You can find your regional group and join their TOGA mailing list or facebook group as well.

Very fun get togethers (a bit overly quilting focused here in the NE) but still fun.  And if you have a machine that isn't behaving correctly you can bring it and will have half a dozen or more willing 'mechanics' work on it for you.

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Hello, I want to express my point of view, I hope the translator is kind to me:
In Mexico City the situation is different, the average people do not have a culture of collecting, only elite people, in my case I acquire, restore and use some machines, especially the oldest, some I advertise on the internet but In the end I end up giving them to my relatives.
It's simple, it's for pleasure only, I feel very good to come back to life and hear the sound of a machine over one hundred years old.
  I do not sew, I have never made a garment, I do not have a workshop, just for love I have some machines and I feel good reading what they say in this group. Greetings.

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Andy, Thank you for participating. I know there are those in this group that love the machines, simply as a mechanic, others also love to sew, while others collect, but do not sew.  Sometimes we do not realized how blessed we are here in the USA to have the option to collect.

I wish I could give machines to those who need it in other countries. Unfortunately, the cost of shipping is prohibitive. In my experience, here where I live, those that could make good use of them, do not want them.


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Hope this works!!!
 
Andy, gracias por participar. Sé que hay personas en este grupo que aman las máquinas, simplemente como mecánico, a otros también les encanta coser, 
mientras que otros recolectan, pero no cosen.
A veces no nos dimos cuenta de cuán bendecidos estamos aquí en los Estados Unidos por tener la opción de cobrar.Me gustaría poder dar máquinas
a quienes lo necesiten en otros países. Desafortunadamente, el costo de envío es prohibitivo. En mi experiencia, aquí donde vivo, aquellos que podrían hacer
un buen uso de ellos, no los quieren.


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I wish I could give machines to those who need it in other countries. Unfortunately, the cost of shipping is prohibitive. In my experience, here where I live, those that could make good use of them, do not want them.



Exactly! NO ONE local seems to want my machines. They're fantastic machines, too. Most people look at me like I've grown an extra head if I mention sewing machines, or sewing clothes.



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I'm still all about that 1884 IF so don't let anyone get you to go cheaper on CL.  Just have to figure out a pony express to CT or something.
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[CITA = Farmhousesewer] Espero que esto funcione!
 
Andy, gracias por participar. Sé que hay personas en este grupo que aman las máquinas, simplemente como mecánico, a otros también les encanta coser, 
mientras que otros recolectan, pero no cosen.
A veces no nos dimos cuenta de qué tan bien estamos aquí en los Estados Unidos por tener la opción de
cobrar. Desafortunadamente, el costo de envío es prohibitivo. En mi experiencia, aquí donde vivo, aquellos que quieren hacer
un buen uso de ellos, no los quieren.

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Those are nice words that I thank you for, it is not necessary that you translate, the same program translates it automatically and I understand everything you say, greetings.

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