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I am trying to repair the bentwood case that came with my 201k.  The front corners were broken out.  I've repaired the box and it's solid now but the corners are pretty messed up. The box has a thin veneer and the finish seems to be lacquer.  I am horrible at identifying wood.  

Can anyone tell me what wood this would be? and what stain might match? I need to order some thin pieces to do the repair.  I am guessing I will have to use a piece large enough to completely wrap around the corner.  Is it better to use a pre-glued veneer or would would that not be as strong as using wood glue?

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Honestly I wouldn't try to repair that. Bending veneer like that isn't an easy task.
Chances are the finish is either shellac or lacquer.  Try lacquer thinner and steel wool to see if it comes off.  Do outside with good ventilation and gloves.  It's not as nasty as chemical stripper but bad enough. 
Most of Singer's bent wood cases were walnut.  Maybe use a walnut stain or dye (dyes are harder to find but I prefer them) to blend the crack in a bit then refinish.  
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I agree with Rodney and would try to match the stain color and stain the crack.   Since the crack is not straight you should have a good chance to get it blended well to make it very subtle to the eye.  A light standing before to try to smooth the edges a bit and then work with the finish - likely shellac - in multiple  coats to help level the surface.

Any kind of wood filler, from my experience, would only make the repair more obvious.  I have not done this type of repair so this is just what I would try.  Maybe someone  here on this forum with expertise in this type of repair can provide some input.  

Good you've got the box all solid now - that's a great start!  Keep us updated with your progress...
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I'll need to post a new photo but I have a migraine aura right now and my vision is poor  Unfortunately to get enough glue into the ends of the box to make it secure I have to wedge the damaged corners further apart which made things look worse on the outside.  Now the choices are try to repair the veneer, or patch it with some wood patch and try to get the corners smooth again.  

I checked the finish.  Alcohol did nothing but lacquer thinner took the finish off.

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Veneering is easy. The new Heat Loc glue is set with an iron and you use a paper backed veneer Here is a speaker or two I did.  And a turntable. The only tool I had to buy was a veneer saw ($9).

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I'm going to design and build my own version of a Bentwood.  Should be fun. I'm having a heck of a time finding a full size bentwood case. Lots of 3/4......


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Thank you Perry!  I'm impressed seeing what you've done.  If you can bend veneer around a sharp corner like that I am sure it would work around the softer curve of the box.

Right now I am trying to patch in a couple spots where the veneer chipped out. The I'll see if it will be possible to lightly sand and refinish to get a smooth and acceptable look.  If this doesn't work I will move ahead to the paper backed veneer as you suggest.  It's nice to see I have some options!

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Thank you Perry!  I'm impressed seeing what you've done.  If you can bend veneer around a sharp corner like that I am sure it would work around the softer curve of the box.

Right now I am trying to patch in a couple spots where the veneer chipped out. The I'll see if it will be possible to lightly sand and refinish to get a smooth and acceptable look.  If this doesn't work I will move ahead to the paper backed veneer as you suggest.  It's nice to see I have some options!


Cant bend it around sharp corners. That is called book matching and it's all in the planning /cutting/layout.  Bent wood curves are NO PROBLEM. I'm gonna build one
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Cant bend it around sharp corners. That is called book matching and it's all in the planning /cutting/layout.  Bent wood curves are NO PROBLEM. I'm gonna build one


OK not sharp corners!  [wink]  Still, around a bentwood box though.  

I was able to sand out my corner patches and it's not looking too awful.  Next I will try some stain and see where I'm at.  The patches are walnut but I know they will take the stain differently.  I chose to use teeny bits of wood instead of wood patch which I knew would NOT take stain well at all.

Patched and sanded smooth:
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First coat of stain attempting to blend "Early American" and "Traditional Cherry" to use what I have at home and get the best possible color match.  I'll stain again when it dries trying to pull up some of the sediment from the bottom of the can.

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That looks pretty good!  Nice!
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Thanks.  I did a "dirty wipe" with the stain today to get a darker color so hopefully it blends better.  The ultimate goal is to have a smooth finished corner that isn't screaming "look at me!".  As cold and wet as it's been here lately it will be a few days before I could apply lacquer so I guess I have time to monkey with it.

We're going on mandatory lock down today.  Being an introvert and having a good store of books, movies, sewing projects and machines to work on will come in handy!

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I hear you -- I've never been happier that I have too many hobbies than right now.
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Christy- your repair is looking good!  It's blending in and your stain color is matching along with a smooth surface.  A huge improvement for certain.

And we are all so lucky we do have an abundance of hobbies and projects during this time.  I think us introverts are having an easier time!
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Actually feeling a bit of jealousy...  While some are complaining that they are "bored to death"  I am working full time+ still going in the office every day.  Even if the company shut down 100%, I would still need to come in to do IT and Facilities maintenance of the sites.

I know I should consider myself fortunate to not have my income affected, but man.... a 3+ week shut down sounds like a dream come true. 

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Actually feeling a bit of jealousy...  While some are complaining that they are "bored to death"  I am working full time+ still going in the office every day.  Even if the company shut down 100%, I would still need to come in to do IT and Facilities maintenance of the sites.

I know I should consider myself fortunate to not have my income affected, but man.... a 3+ week shut down sounds like a dream come true. 


My husband is still working his day job.  It's considered essential, but I know it's uncomfortable being out there and dealing with the public.  All the guys in the store have to take their temperature daily and to stay home if anyone in their family is sick.  They have a note on the door at the shop for people to call from their cars and they will bring goods out rather than allowing the public into the shop.

I have mixed feelings.  IT's nice to not worry about receiving a paycheck but there is a big fear he will contract the virus and bring it home.  He is stripping clothes into the washer and taking showers immediately when he comes home.

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