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A friend was given a nice 127 treadle back in April.  That happened about 3 days after I loaned her my electric 15-30.  I've offered to clean up the 127 -- it doesn't look like it needs much.

I'm hoping to get the 15-30 back soon, but I think she quite likes it, and since I'm not sure quite what she likes about it, I'd like to give her some options.  My experience with Singer models, and their treadles, is limited, so:
  • Clearly, she could just start using the 27, as is.  But it's kind of a big leap from an electric rotary to a treadled long-bobbin.
  • We could electrify the 127.  Question:  I assume that with a motor the machine will still fold up, right?  (The 127 does have the required boss.)
  • I could help her find another 15 head (maybe with reverse?), to either treadle, or electrify.  Questions: I assume a 15 and a 127 are interchangeable, as far as their footprint, correct?  And that a 15 (or clone) would just drop into that treadle?  And, that a 15 would also still fit if it had a motor?
Thanks in advance!   And since we all like pictures, some photos of her machine below...

27_1.jpg 27_2.jpg 27_3.jpg


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The motor may interfere with closing the table. Also, a 15 is deeper underneath, which possibly can interfere with drip trays if one is there, and also with folding it down.

The only way to know for sure is to try it, but I've had those particular problems before.

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Singer motors seem to retrofit well. The mount boss is referenced to hand wheel pulley, so hand cranks and motors mount and line up. There are minor differences in pulley diameters, hence belt sizes. There might be a how to, or I thought about doing one...

My experience on full size machines is limited to 66, 115, 127, 201K. With Singer and aftermarket motors, no problem fitting except for H-B motor.
https://www.victoriansweatshop.com/post/belts-motor-brackets-and-pulleys-10411125?highlight=motors&pid=1310655899

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Thanks Violet -- good to know that a different machine might not just drop in and work in the treadle.  Just the kind of thing I was hoping to find out.  And Dave -- I'd forgotten about your excellent post on motors and belts.  Good stuff.

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Thanks Violet -- good to know that a different machine might not just drop in and work in the treadle.  Just the kind of thing I was hoping to find out.  And Dave -- I'd forgotten about your excellent post on motors and belts.  Good stuff.

paul


It will fit on the hinges, just make sure to try folding it down with a motor on before falling in love with the setup. Or leave it opened all the time!

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I can't speak for myself but I have a friend who is an avid quilter; VSM collector and does a lot of repair and refurbishing of vintage machines. She does all her quilt piecing on hand cranks and her FMQ on treadles, almost all are shuttle bobbin machines other that her 115. She mentioned that she does not like electric machines with shuttle bobbins and that they are much more suited to the motion of treadle or crank. Not sure if it is the sound or if the shuttle's back and forth motion doesn't suit the higher speeds?
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That's a good point.  I have an electrified New Home that feels okay to me, but I don't use it all that much.  But I can easily imagine someone preferring to treadle or crank a VS machine.  I suspect that if my friend chooses to do something with her 127 rather than just treadle it, it will probably involve a second machine.

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I have used my Singer 127 both as a treadle and a hand crank. I like it better as a treadle, easier on my right arm. 
I haven't tried it with a motor, the motor it came with had scary brittle wiring.
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I have heard this before too but don't have any experience with an electrified VS or TS machine (I've seen TS machines electrified).  It would make sense that the shuttle mechanism can't handle higher speeds as well.

Maybe this is why I like my Singer 101 so much as an electric machine because it was engineered specifically to be electric motor powered.
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