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DSinOR

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Hi, has anyone seen one of these machines in person?  I've only seen this photo.  

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I think that it is a 206.   I have one that is a 206K43 (1953)  Might be Singer's first ZZ
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Thanks John.  I believe you are correct!  

I searched 206 and found several more images that seem to confirm your ID.  

Several linked to ebay auctions, the prices for which sugges that the 206 is not as prized as the 201.  

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I don't know why the 206 isn't highly prized. - especially when it is made out of aluminum. Not all are aluminum.
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DS, I posted a new topic "about the 206", if you are interested.  While my 206K43 is Aluminum, it is anything but light, weighing 35.6 pounds in the bentwood portable case.
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My 206 came naked - no case or table. It isn't all that heavy. I'm not sure if I like it, the Necchi or the Phoenix best. The Necchi is heavy the other two about the same naked.
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For me, avoidance of the 206 can be summed up in two words - Timing Belt.  It might be, actually I'm sure it is, a completely irrational aversion.  I just don't even give them a second look when one is available.
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For me, avoidance of the 206 can be summed up in two words - Timing Belt.  It might be, actually I'm sure it is, a completely irrational aversion.  I just don't even give them a second look when one is available.


I have that same aversion. I didn't know until this thread that it had a timing belt. Oh well, just means one less potential machine to bring home. [smile]

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As an automotive and motorcyle mechanic, I would just note that timing belts and chains are a common and reliable method for precisely timing the critical ignition sequence of internal combustion engines.  Day after day, year after year.  

I have encountered a few sewing machines where the process of properly timing the machine involved nothing more than advancing or retarding a toothed timing belt by one cog.

Timing belts are "different", but not necessarily bad. 

It is worth noting that some timing belts for some machines are as rare as hen's teeth, making replacement of a failed belt a very challenging endeavor.  

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Nothing yet wrong with this 206 timing belt.  It is 64 years old and in better condition than I am.
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I've not seen a bad timing belt on one of those either. Why so much fear?
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Because it's different.  Different things are bad [tongue]

I avoid zigzags for the most part as well.  I got a 401 because my sister gave it to me, and a 403 cause it was unavoidably cheap.  So I'm good on ZZ machines.

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I've not seen a bad timing belt on one of those either. Why so much fear?


Several machines I've wanted have had irreplaceable timing belts, that apparently do break. I'm sure they are lovely but it just put me right off all of them.

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I'm different.
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Several machines I've wanted have had irreplaceable timing belts, that apparently do break. I'm sure they are lovely but it just put me right off all of them.

I've seen bad ones but not yet on a 206, 306 or 319. There is always the next one.

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Because it's different.  Different things are bad [tongue]


Ahh.  

Now here is something we can agree on.  

Change too.  Change is bad.

Apparently John is different, so maybe not all different things are bad, but definitely most of them.  

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The drive belt on my Pfaff 360 was of the same type--like a metal ladder.  Actually the 360 has two, timing and drive.  We replaced the worn drive belt with a synthetic substitute that was supposed to work but was hopelessly tight.  I got "lucky" and found a lightly used original on ebay that ran me about $50.  Oddly, the timing belt appears good still. These belts are rare and expensive and I probably would have passed on buying my Pfaff if I had known the pitfalls, but I am still glad that I have it now. At my age and pace, I will probably never wear it out.
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I accept these machines for what they are.... a part of Singer History.  I am always cautious when I see phrased like.....NEW and IMPROVED.  To me this means cheapened and lower quality with greater profits for the manufacturer.  I have read that the 201 was phased out due to its high cost of production.  I don't doubt that the elimination of several gears, bearings and shaft to get to the 206, did reduce mfg cost.  It also reduced a lot of mechanical friction and lubrication points.  I do not, however, see a reduction of quality through the use of this timing belt.  About every manufacturer in the world switched to them, (and oilless bearings, that I don't like).
     I often think of the clock, beginning with the sundial with no moving parts, progressing to a complicated device with springs, compound drives, escapements, jeweled bearings, and mercury filled pendulums to compensate for temperature correction.  Then we come around with a quartz timepiece with no moving parts.  I believe that change can be good and it is inescapable anyway.  I also approve of KISS  (keep it simple, stupid).
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