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I have a Necchi Lelia, and my question about the stitch width plate would also apply to Julia, Nora, and maybe BU Mira. I hope someone can help! 😊

Everything is (or at least -was-) moving freely, and I have given it a good cleaning. One of the things that I did which was perhaps unwise, in hindsight... because now it’s not moving so freely any more.

I removed the ZigZag/Stitch Width/Needle Bar Position plate, for exploratory cleaning. I -think- it had been working fine beforehand. I only did gentle cleaning, not any futzing with any mechanics in there. I replaced the ZZ/stitch width/needle position plate, and now the machine will do nothing but Straight Stitch.  

Problems:  

1). The needle-bar position lever itself will move between Left and Centre, but won’t move to the Right position. Also, even though the lever itself moves from Left to Centre, the needle bar does not move.

2). The machine sews a straight stitch nicely, with stitch width at 0.

3). The ZigZag width lever will move to 5, but does not feel right; I have to also  advance the handwheel in order to convince the width lever to move and stay, and I hear an odd spring sound and a loud click.

4). Then when I try to stitch ZZ there is so much resistance that the motor strains and won’t move the mechanics. I can advance the handwheel by hand, but it is so stiff, it barely goes. (Stiff only on this supposed zigzag. When on SS, free and smooth!)

I’m pretty sure there must be something straightforward about how things are meant to be in place as that ZigZag/Stitch Width/Needle Bar Position plate is removed and re-placed, but I have scoured the user manual and the service manual and have come up empty. Can anyone help me out? 

Many many thanks!

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I'm not sure if this will help or not, but the zig-zag stitch mechanism begins on page 68 of https://freenecchisewingmachinefiles.weebly.com/uploads/1/8/7/3/18731174/necchi_service_manual_bu-bf_nova-mira.pdf

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Thank you, Janey.[smile]

As it turned out, a mechanism was seized which I thought had been free. So I was mis-attributing the problem.

I believe I have solved it... but will know in a few days, once I have put it back together, fiddled with settings, etc.

Thanks you for the link to the manual. Much appreciated.

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Let me give public accolades to our own FARMER JOHN, who so kindly coached me through so much of what it took to rehab this lovely pink Lelia. He taught me how to rescue a broken check spring (I re-bent the remaining tail and rescued the original spring, which is no longer available), and he also taught me a great deal about other aspects of the repair and un-freezing. I am so happy to have saved this sewing machine! It absolutely purrs and sews like a dream. Thank you, Farmer John! [wave]


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Great news!!!!  Well Done all around!
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That's a beauty of a machine and since I've had my Necchi SN I have great appreciation for these Necchi's - they are fantastic and it was well worth your efforts.  Glad you got it going with some helpful expertise from Farmer John.  
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Actually, trouble in Necchi-land after all. Dearly hoping someone can help.

The Lelia 513 sews wonderfully on SS and ZZ, and all the needle-bar position stuff is now moving freely.


When I did all of my futzing and testing, I left off the buttonhole mechanism, simply because I wanted it out of the way for heat and oil access to the frozen areas.


Now for some reason when I put back the buttonhole mechanism, the needle position lever willn’t move. 


Has anyone encountered this? I don’t know if the buttonholed thing is Necchi-513 specific, and I know that this is not a supremely popular model. I will have another look at the manual but the manual really makes my head spin, so I’m hoping that someone who has experienced it can chime in.

Thank you in advance. :-)


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Well, well.

Take a look at this repair manual, the section on how to put back the buttonholer on Miss Lelia.

Now take a look at the buttonholer mechanism that is (was) on my own Miss Lelia.

Yep, I’m missing large, seemingly important pieces of it! Gotta wonder how that happened... 

I’m not too sad, as I can just put the machine together without it and offer those spare parts to anyone who needs them. Miss Lelia sews beautifully as a ZZ machine, and besides, Lori in WI has just offered me a ZZ buttonholed that she is cleaning out, so, I think this is the universe aligning...

If anyone here has  Lelia 513 for which they are missing anything that I have, including the buttonholed dial which is not in the photo, PM me. I’ll also offer this over on the Necchi io group.

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That dial is very often missing from this machine. It shouldn't take long to find it a home.

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Actually, I just spent some more time with it, because I saw another person’s photo of a Lelia mechanism and it was exactly like mine. I think Necchi must have had multiple models of Lelia and perhaps mine has a simpler buttonhole mechanism than the others, and probably they just used the same castings and didn’t bother to simplify the castings for the simpler machines. Perhaps the fancier one did fancy stitches, hence the extra stuff that was on them. Anyhow, this thing was a BUGGER to get back into place. Not so much the procedure, but the instructions, very complicated to follow. 1950s Italian translation of a repair manual... ooof.

So now, this stitcher is as good as it ever was. Almost. ;-)

The needle bar position lever springs beautifully back to L home when that buttonhole-mechanism madness was not attached. With the buttonhole mechanism madness in place, it is ever so slightly sluggish, which makes me slightly unhappy, but I’m not sure there is anything I can do about it.


If anyone has any suggestions I’m all ears!

Otherwise, I’m calling this machine done! She still needs a handwheel screw (on its way!) and then she will be ready for adoption by her new caretaker, a mom-to-be who currently stitches on a FW and is ecstatic to have zigzag. It’s a great feeling when we can make other people happy with these old machines, isn’t it!

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If I remember right there were 3 Lelia models. Straight stitch, zigzag, and zigzag that took cams.

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Hi Cecilia

I purchased a Necchi BU over the weekend. The needle position and zigzag worked fine BEFORE I removed the faceplate to clean the mechanism. Now the zigzag does not work and the needle position moves with some difficulty but does not move freely.

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I also responded to your post on the Yahoo Necchi group.

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Hey, well imagine that!

There is a complicated order of operations w.r.t. putting the mechanism back on. Does yours look anything like my buttonholed mechanism does?

When I put it on randomly and not properly, ZZ didn’t work at all. When I figured out my error, and spent a long time with the manual, citrons properly but the return from needle bar Centre to needle bar Left is sluggish.

i will be very happy if you have any insights for me. Can I help you in any way? Did you find the repair manual?

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Hi,

I don’t have any button hole attachments as this is a simply BU model. Just straight stitch and zig zag. I do have the service manual but it calls for special tooling like a ‘v’ shapes gauge. Did you need any of that to fix yours?

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Hi DCH, I replied at length just now on the Necchi forum.

I am thinking that the BU doesn't have any similar mechanism to mine. Mine is the spidery-armed mechanism posted earlier on this thread.

I remain puzzled as to why the L Home Needle return is sluggish, but it works "well enough", and well enough just might have to do! My other alternative is to remove the buttohnhole mechanism entirely. The needle position lever was utterly free moving without it! :-)

Good luck with your BU :-)

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(Posted on the Necchi group as well...)

The Lelia that I re-habbed, I had mentioned that the Left Home needle return was still a bit sluggish - someone suggested that I needed to go back to the drawing board on the heat/oil/solvent thing. Yep - turns out that I had neglected an area in the 'nose' area of the machine - I had been concentrating mainly on the arm and top area. Well, a few hours of tinkering and patience and heat and such, and it's PERFECT!!! Springs left and right like a charm. And have I mentioned how smoothly it sews?!?
 
Two oddities now with the machine:
 
1) Has anyone experienced the feed-dog drop doing absolutely nothing? I have consulted the service manual and I honestly cannot say that it enlightens me any. The machine sews wonderfully and the feed dogs rise above the plate a good amount - it is just that the feed dog drop mechanism seems to do nothing at all.
 
2) Has anyone actually made a buttonhole? Because my turning of the magic dial does nothing - SS only. I did replace it into the machine carefully according to the service manual instructions, although of course it is possible that I messed up - but has anyone experienced this?
 
Maybe someone with a BU has similar feed-dog setup...? I am giving it to its new owner tomorrow, so would love to fix these two things. But the truth is, if she cannot make buttonholes or free motion for a while that won't be the end of the world - it's just so much easier to fix while I still have it here...



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1) figured out and freed up the feed dog drop.

2) gave up on the buttonholer 

3) re-homed the machine to its very happy new owner! She lives in the same city as I do, so if ever inspiration hits me about the buttonholer, I can tackle it. But meanwhile just feeling really happy to have gotten the machine un-frozen and purring along!

4) Necchis are TEMPERAMENTAL!

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I need help!!
I have a Lelia 512 and having trouble with needle bar position.  Here is what's happening.
- If I put the stitch length to 0 as suggested by the manual for straight stitch, I can't move the needle bar position lever. 
- When I move the stitch length to the right, then I can move the needle bar position lever.
- Even when the needle bar position lever moves, the needle bar itself does not move. 

I cleaned the insides as best as I could but maybe some parts are still frozen?  this machine has not been used in quite a while.

Please can you help?
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I need help!!
I have a Lelia 512 and having trouble with needle bar position.  Here is what's happening.
- If I put the stitch length to 0 as suggested by the manual for straight stitch, I can't move the needle bar position lever. 
- When I move the stitch length to the right, then I can move the needle bar position lever.
- Even when the needle bar position lever moves, the needle bar itself does not move. 

I cleaned the insides as best as I could but maybe some parts are still frozen?  this machine has not been used in quite a while.

Please can you help?
thanks


Join the Necchi io.groups for certain. There’s great stuff there!

Necchis have very tight tolerances and get frozen in ways that other machines don’t. If you read through the threads on that Necchi iogroups board, you’ll learn all about the intersection of hairdryers, tri flow, patience... don’t force anything, just follow the show and steady de-gunking route. It will free up and when it does, it’s magic!

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