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I'm new to the forum, having discovered it while searching for information concerning a Singer 28-1 (early) I just bought. I found the 2 year-old thread about the "Mythical 3/4 Treadle" on this forum, but while information there intrigued me, it didn't cover my specific problem. 

My machine (a hand crank version) is in a coffin-top case, the base of which has holes for a treadle belt. So my quest has been to find if a 3/4 treadle table, or even just a photo of one that would accommodate a portable base could be found for this arrangement. 

I found a photo on Needlebar of a non-treadle table with a motorized machine in a bentwood case that fit into the table without removing the portable base, but that's it. 

Is anyone familiar with this arrangement? IMG_2184.jpeg  IMG_2183.jpeg 

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The link that WIChix gave you - http://needlebar.org/main/singercabs/treadles/t10/index.html - sure looks like a treadle with hand crank machine sitting so can see the opening in treadle base. I even noticed the end clips likes yours. I also notice that the fly wheel of the base looks a little off center from the legs which would be consistent with the location of the rear hole in the case.

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I was encouraged by that illustration, just to know something like that existed. But the photo I referred to (which I can't find now in my browsing history) was an actual photo of a machine still attached to its portable base sitting flush with the top of a non-treadle table. I've looked at so many websites and photos today. One thing is certain though, a treadle table for a 3/4 machine in a case is not common.
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I just came across a photo of what I've been hoping to find: http://needlebar.org/cm/displayimage.php?album=32&pid=3151#top_display_media


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Photo #3151 is of a full size Singer 15.
Did you see the photo on this thread from April 25, 2017?

3/4 treadles are rare, as are the 3/4 cabinets.
I convinced a friend to buy a Spartan in a 3/4 cabinet...for $20. It is the only 3/4 cabinet I've seen in person, in 6 years of collecting Singers.

Singer used the same concept with portable electrics, offering a cabinet that accepted the portable base. I haven't seen one of those yet.

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I have to laugh. Here I am, only a couple of months into collecting Singers (who knows how it started or where it will end), and I find myself embroiled in this mystery, enjoying the search and at the same time frustrated by the lack of information available. It almost feels like being a paleontologist, trying to find information about a little known dinosaur, and only able to unearth minuscule bone fragments to work from. All the questions filling my head, that have all been pondered already by those who been doing this "hobby" for years. Had I known this two months ago....yeah, I'd probably have gotten involved anyway. Thanks for the insight.
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I happen to own a cabinet that a machine base sits into, I reckon it's for either a hand crank or tailed machine. I have no idea what machine it's for and I think it may even be home made. My Aunt used it as one of the hiding places for her jewelry. Her other jewelry hiding place is what I think of as a sewing supplies table, it's a small table that the top slides to one side to reveal a place to store stuff.

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I will look for it if I have time, they made a small table that holds a 99k or 128 in the bentwood box.  It's in one of the UK singer ads, I think...  but I don't remember if it is a treadle. It may be for a hand or an electric.
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My apologies, I finally re-discovered the photo I referred to in my original post, showing an electric machine mounted to a portable base, that was sitting down in a table. It was NOT on a Needlebar page like I originally said, but was from the original "Mythical 3/4" thread: http://needlebar.org/cm/displayimage.php?album=32&pid=3151#top_display_media

Again, it shows the general concept I was asking about, but the table is not a treadle.
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The photo is hosted at the Needlebar...
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The link that WIChix gave you - http://needlebar.org/main/singercabs/treadles/t10/index.html - sure looks like a treadle with hand crank machine sitting so can see the opening in treadle base. I even noticed the end clips likes yours. I also notice that the fly wheel of the base looks a little off center from the legs which would be consistent with the location of the rear hole in the case.

Janey
Thank you for the link, Janey.  I didn't consider that my machine could be converted to a treadle, though the holes were right there.  Too many distractions.  Now I know what to look for!

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The singer 28 that I cleaned up for my sister has the same case with holes for a treadle belt and is an original handcrank. The photos I have of it are not on this device, but the coffin top looks the same as well.
Sometime in the past year there was a craigslist ad here that showed a treadle machine with handcrank also attached. It was a vibrating shuttle, but don't remember which one. I thought it well priced at $190, but outside my budget. The ad remained up for several weeks, although that doesn't mean it wasn't bought early on. Of course, I have no picture.
I should add that the treadle had the SM base sitting on top and slightly recessed, not the machine taken out of the base and put in the treadle.
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In searching for photos of treadle cabinets/tables that would accommodate my machine while attached to the portable base, I noticed a number of other machines that had a slot for the belt instead of holes. That would allow the machine (and portable base) to be removed from the treadle table without having to disconnect the treadle belt at the staple. That design change might explain why portable bases with holes are somewhat rare.
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I have a New Home machine, a New National, with holes in its portable base for a treadle belt.  As you say -- if you have to break the belt apart to move the machine, the convenience factor goes down quite a bit...
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3/4 treadle on shopG'will right now. I suppose if someone was handy they could easily replace the top on a fullsize treadle.
Great decals on this 128!
I would love to see a closeup of a treadle top that takes the portable base.

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/67140836

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Looks like it has potential, but "pickup only", and Portland is too far away. I wonder what it will go for. I've found prices on Shop GW to be good on machines (sometimes great), but I've never followed a table there.
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Hubby and I are considering bidding on the 3/4 Singer and taking a 2-day road trip to pick it up & spend a night in Seaside Oregon on the way home!  Trying to decide if it will fit into the insane schedule we're keeping at the moment.

I have a hand crank that fits into a treadle......it's a Decker (German).
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Pam, the inlay on that treadle is gorgeous!
I hope the 3/4 treadle goes home with you, but even without, the getaway sounds fun!

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Well, no 3/4 treadle for me....got sniped at the last second.  The mystery continues.....
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I do not have this any more, but this is the Pfaff version of that convertible concept.

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Wow, I love the cast iron work that the machine rests on!  Amazing!
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Is that ironwork the shelf the portable base sits on? An extra nice touch for something that is hidden most of the time!
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A few years ago, I found a convertible Pfaff Model K hand crank/treadle less than a hour from home. Although someone lost the coffin top and replaced it with a Singer one. The owner purchased a storage shed's contents and the Pfaff treadle was in it.

The price was right and it came home to sit near my Singer 3/4 treadle and my Veritas 3/4 treadle. The 3\4 sized treadles are not easy to find, but  are out there. Just keep lookin'.

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Phyllis, do you happen to know what the distance is between the irons (both Pfaff & Singer)? I'm thinking that it is narrower than the same time period treadles? I have a Pfaff K, but it was converted to electric.



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Janey-   I once measured my 3/4 size Singer treadle (with wood legs) and the distance between the legs was the same - or very close to - as a full sized treadle base. I am not near the Veritas or the Pfaff treadle, but will try try to obtain the measurements tomorrow.
Also the Singer electric 3/4 sized cabinet is the same size as a full sized cabinet. The cutout is smaller.
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Also the Singer electric 3/4 sized cabinet is the same size as a full sized cabinet. The cutout is smaller.
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This makes it easy to tell in a bad photo whether a machine is a 66 or a 99. If the machine is a 66 there will be approx. 2" from the left edge of the machine to the edge of the cabinet top. If it's a 99 there's approx. 5" from the edge of the machine to the edge of the cabinet top.

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I have a machine that has the slot that goes into the table. https://www.flickr.com/photos/132113927@N03/43536738561/in/dateposted-public/ It has a slot that the belt goes through so it may be taken out easily. Here is a coffin top portable that doesn't go into a treadle as well. https://www.flickr.com/photos/132113927@N03/47713968802/in/dateposted-public/ . I could have got the original base, but didn't have space for it, so didn't. Wish i had got the base, but it had been altered to fill in that hole.

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I have a 3/4 treadle.  It was given to me and I had no idea it was a 3/4 until I got it home.
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3/4 treadle on shopG'will right now. I suppose if someone was handy they could easily replace the top on a fullsize treadle.
Great decals on this 128!
I would love to see a closeup of a treadle top that takes the portable base.

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/67140836

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This one came home with me. I noticed it when I was in there the week before picking up a 185k machine. It was a bit stiff when I got it home, but a little oil and exercise got it purring in short order. It sews a nice stitch without having to do anything to it. 

If anyone is wanting to attempt to build a table for one, I'd be happy to take measurements.
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This one came home with me. I noticed it when I was in there the week before picking up a 185k machine. It was a bit stiff when I got it home, but a little oil and exercise got it purring in short order. It sews a nice stitch without having to do anything to it. 

If anyone is wanting to attempt to build a table for one, I'd be happy to take measurements.


AAAAAAAhhhhhh!!!  YOU'RE the one who sniped it from me, lol!  Sniff.  Hope you enjoy it as much as I was going to......

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Here's a photo with information detailing Singer's 3/4 treadle (not for portable) and the coffin top cover for it. Note the one direction diagonal detailing in the 3/4 treadle cover. I pinched the info off of a FB group I'm on, but cropped the poster's name out.

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