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This thread builds on recent post by Socoso (#6442) over in "Hey! Check This Out!".  One of the two machines advertised in the CL listing in Monterrey, CA is a Singer Class 66 with an unusual rear inspection plate, as pointed out by WI Lori  (#6445).  It shows the initials or monogram "N.B." on the plate.  

Does anyone have a theory, or knowledge of what these initials represent?   Has anyone seen other examples of faceplates or rear inspection plates bearing these or other initials? 

A couple of years ago I was in NE Pennsylvania and picked up what was intended as a Singer Class 15 parts machine.  Several months later, was surprised to see the initials "N.B." on both the faceplate and rear inspection plate.  Unfortunately, the decorations on the head are in sad shape, but the plates themselves, aren't bad.  Looked for other examples on the interweb and came up dry.   Decided it must have been something like a retirement gift, or a gift by someone at Singer to someone special with the initials N.B.  

Well, I know now that mine is not a one-off.  And... my theory of it being a retirement or special gift has been debunked.  

Here's a photo of the rear inspection plate from the CL listing of the Class 66 (S/N G4144606, issued Aug 1915).  Am betting that if we could see a picture of the faceplate on that Class 66, it'd also have the same initials.  

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These are photos of the faceplate and rear inspection plate from my Singer Class 15 (S/N G3432876, issued Feb, 1914)

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While writing this post, it occurred to me that these plates might have been issued in commemoration of some historical event.  Did Singer ever do that?  As a starting point, I scanned the Wikipedia page for what happened in February, 1914 (gotta' start somewhere!), but came up dry.  The fact that the two heads have serial numbers issued some 18 months apart is also puzzling.  Sure, the plates could have been switched at some point...  

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I'm guessing that it was a refurbisher's "knock-off - after market"  plates.  One of my first impressions of the electric one was that it was a repaint.  I looked up the serial number and it appears the serial number shows that it was a 1915.  So then I went to http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/decals/domestic-decals.html
to find the decals.  It appears that it has "Knots and rectangles " which were for the 101 only and the dates 1920-1930.  Then went back to the images and found Arm decalsCL00q0q_5VWocbFaqXg_600x450.jpg 

I'm pretty sure Singer had their name on the top and front.  Also the Font seems to be from later than 1915.  I don't have a clue as to how a refurbisher would have gotten the decals, nor why they would have put those on top.  Miriam did a thread about refurbished machines, but most of those had labels pasted on machines.  I think I read there was some stipulation that when a Singer machine would be refurbished that they were to remove the Name "Singer" as they were not using Singer parts,  but I have seen some.  Of course Singer never did refurbish machines and would destroy machines used for trade-ins.

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Agree the 66 has been repainted and aftermarket decals applied to suit the then-owner’s taste. Who knows what if anything they did with the rear inspection plate or faceplate...
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Have come to the conclusion the faceplate and rear inspection plates with initials “NB” aren’t original to the machine. Likely that they were transferred from an HA-1 15 clone. Mystery solved.
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Was there a reason the "HA-1" clone would have had "N B" on those plates?
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Several months ago, I missed out on buying a Brother HA treadle machine locally (out hiking w/o reception...argh). The Brother machines made in Nagoya are on my list but I doubt I’ll see that treadle Stateside again anytime soon.

That machine had the NB plate on it. (The pic below is just an internet photo, not the one I was pursuing.) The NB plate also shows up in the Brother Sewing Machine Manual, so I’m pretty certain it’s their face plate. I’ve also seen that plate on Kingston HA machines here. I’m guessing Kingston is a branded Brother machine?

This is purely conjecture on my part, but I would venture the initials NB are for
N= Nippon = Japan
B = Brother

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There's the answer! Thanks! 

You're probably correct that the Kingston badged machines were made by Brother. 

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Pabry I've seen at least three different styles of Brother treadles here in the US. A big desk style cabinet with the irons inside the right side door, a straight leg treadle with two drawers, and a big closed up "sewing center" type similar to some of todays popular styles of cabinets. I don't believe any of them were sold in the US, I think they were all purchased in Japan and brought here either by Japanese immigrants or US military people who were stationed over there.

And yes, Kingston is a Brother badge.

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Thanks Cari for information on the other two Brother treadles. I’ve only seen the straight leg treadle with two drawers. Now, I’m going to start the search for the other two and add them to my list too.

This site is full of so many enablers. Love it! 😆
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Thanks Cari for information on the other two Brother treadles. I’ve only seen the straight leg treadle with two drawers. Now, I’m going to start the search for the other two and add them to my list too.

This site is full of so many enablers. Love it! 😆


Here's a pic of the convertible desk. Every Brother treadle I've seen here in the US, including my straight leg, came with a Selectomatic in it, usually the green 210. This desk has the cord block up under it so the electrics are hidden. I've missed out on getting the desk a few times. I do have the straight leg.
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Beautiful cabinet. Thank you Cari. Now I know what to look for.

I love the needle is at the middle of the desk so the work is centered in front of the sewist.
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A couple months ago I refurbished a "Packard" branded 15 clone for a customer of mine.  It had the same face plate and rear cover with the NB.  It also had the Brother name cast into the underside of the bed.
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A couple months ago I refurbished a "Packard" branded 15 clone for a customer of mine.  It had the same face plate and rear cover with the NB.  It also had the Brother name cast into the underside of the bed.


Another Brother badge added to my list. Thank you!

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