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So the 66 I found at the Salvation Army.  $20, looks like it was sitting in a room that was being repainted with a long-napped roller.  I figured it would be a good one to start with.  These are before pictures.  Haven't started cleaning it yet.
66 - 1.jpg

See what I mean by paint-splattered.  Poor thing.   
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Doesn't seem to be very much rust on it at all.
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And the attachments.  They look like they were kept in the box, their whole life.
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And the side door/drawer.
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The veneer on the top of the table/cabinet is peeling off and also has paint splatters on it.  Is it okay to replace the veneer if we can't refinish this?  We're thinking of using some black walnut from some trees we had to cut down that were too close to the house.  Comments are more than welcome!

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If you find an efficient way to pop off all million of those little dots of paint, please let us know.  I don't think I've worked on a machine or cabinet yet that didn't have at least a few little dots of paint like that on it!

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Paul, as soon as or if I do, I'll be sure to let you all know.  It's reassuring that this is not uncommon.

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Reassuring, maybe.  Frustrating, for sure.  :-)
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Absolutely!
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The veneer on the top of the table/cabinet is peeling off and also has paint splatters on it.  Is it okay to replace the veneer if we can't refinish this?  We're thinking of using some black walnut from some trees we had to cut down that were too close to the house.  Comments are more than welcome!


I would be very interest to know how/your techniques for replacing the veneer.  Great you have the walnut resource.

From my work on the Singer cabinets, one can do amazing things with peeling, cracked, and bubbling veneer.  I've done three cabinets to date, and sanding and glueing really worked well to get them into fine shape.  You could see what I did with a featherweight table and a no 42 cabinet: https://www.victoriansweatshop.com/post/singer-cabinet-42-10384055?pid=1310440593 ; https://www.victoriansweatshop.com/post/singer-221-featherweight-table-restoration-10158624?pid=1308816488


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Boy, I bet someone was real pleased that the sewing room finally got painted. I've seen more than my fair share of this! If you are lucky, the paint will be latex or acrylic and not oil based. The modern paints are easier to get off than the old oil paints. I use a piece of plastic as a scraper, even one of those cheap PLASTIC green pot scubbers and something like Aero-Kroil, kerosene or the like to scrape and scrub the paint splatter off. I just did a couple of machines that had that on them, but not the old black ones. Most recent was a Kenmore 158.1602. It was covered with them, but they all cleaned off fairly easy.

DO NOT use a green pot scrubber (Chore-girl or Scotch-brite for example). Those will take off the paint, alright, but ALL of it including the original. Make sure they are made of soft plastic like the kind found at the Dollar Tree, Dollar Store or whatever discount house you have in your area. Those are useless for pot scrubbing, but good for sewing machine gunk and taking off latex and acrylic paint splatter. Just go slow and easy. It will take a bit of time and light elbow grease. As for how it got there, sorry....you can't fix stupid. Even a plastic trash bag or some newspapers would have saved the machine and table. 

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I knew someone here would have dealt with this before.

Chaly, those cabinet/tables are beautiful!  Don't know if we'll be able to come close to those, but we're going to try.  And it's just for us.  PIC (partner in crime, also known as husband) has been playing in the woodshop.  1st time since junior high shop class, a lot of decades ago.  Anywho, he's plays guitar (very well) and a myriad of ethnic stringed instruments and he's always wanted to make guitars.  So as he was playing with the power tools that are 40 years old he was able to cut veneer.  Actually thinner than what's on the 66 table right now.  So we thought we could use that as a fall back.  Since we're new at this we'll see how it goes.  We'll keep you posted as to what we discover.

Bruce, thank you for the idea.  I have a horrible feeling that it's oil based splatters. Before I read your post, we tried the credit card method, then the plastic ice scraper, both too soft.  Sooo, Fender medium guitar pick. I have no affiliation with Fender.  We put a coat of smo on and used the pick to gently chip it off.  Left just a small remainder, but I think we may be able to buff that out or if I decided to do a French polish on it, maybe that will work.

When she first came home.
66 - before.jpg 

After the first cleaning with smo
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After a little bit of smo and the Fender medium pick.  Still a bit of outline of the splatters, but, better.
after - this one.jpg 


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Forgot to say that we liberally applied smo and the took the pick to it.  The picks are usually 2 for a buck at your local music store.  We have them all over the house.  On every side table, in the washing machine, the dryer lol, so we don't have to get any more and they last a long time.  

Also don't get fire (cigarettes) near them.  I was told "don't ask"  from my PIC, happened decades ago.  "Trust me".

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Bags, I'm a guitar player too and am well familiar with Fender picks, which are made out of celluloid. When I was in high school, I played in a rock band and we all smoked back then. When the picks would crack or break, we filed them and re-shaped them as long as they were usable, and when totally done they went into the ashtray. The next match or cigarette ignited them and they burned like a jet engine until consumed. Old celluloid movie film was like that too. One of my tricks to keep from constantly losing grip on my pick was to punch a hole in it with a paper punch so the pad of my thumb would get a grip on it. I still do that. Sometimes I add binder hole reinforcement rings (peel and stick) to both sides. Expensive picks would sometimes have a cork ring glued to them. 

I have also taken an Xacto knife and used the tip to pick the paint splatter off, then rubbed them lightly with 0000 steel wool and oil to buff out the heavy remains, then finishing with a little polishing compound. Eventually it all comes off. I just listen to music to pass the time while I enjoy an evening of picking off someone else's moronic mess. 

PS - I also dabble in mandolin and banjo. Nothing non-electric drowns out a TV like a banjo. 

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Veneer is fairly easy to replace - you'll need a LOT of weight to press it down firmly and EVENLY. I recommend using hot hide glue.

Here's a cabinet that I re-did the top on:

http://www.doubleveil.net/zssmp/upgrade.htm

And a cabinet similar to yours. I didn't re-veneer this one, but did do a lot of work on it:

http://www.doubleveil.net/zssmp/singer.htm

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if you think you may be doing more veneering than one, I would suggest a vacuum bagging setup.  I put one together pretty cheap using an old electric bicycle pump.  just swapped the inlet and the outlet and it worked great.  Worked like a charm.
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Bruce, same story that I heard from PIC about the guitar picks.  I don't think he did the file or the hole punch though.  Must be a right of passage of something?  lol

I was wondering about the 0000 steel wool maybe a straight edge knife.  Figured I wouldn't gauge as much with that compared to using a utility or Xacto knife. Thought I would doing some sort of buffing on it to take off the edges of the splatters, anyway. So I guess I'm not completely off with what I was thinking. 

Yep, we have Bluetooth speakers we carry from room to room listening to music too.  Doing the same thing, What the h*** were they (my in-laws) thinking?  

In our house, when PIC wants to play loud without power, he plays the Gypsy Jazz Guitar.  The Oud or one of the Ukes works well too. 

Zorba, those cabinets you refinished are beautiful.  I'll be sure and take pictures of mine before.  This will be PIC's 1st attempt of re-veneering (?).  He's a want-to-be guitar maker, so he's excited about having to buy a lot more clamps!  Of all shapes and sizes.

SteveH, we'll have to see how this 1st veneer project goes before we think of doing anymore 😉  Because of hubby's working in the woodshop, he's already started on his fan-vacuum system.  He's interested in your idea though.  I guess back to the 2nd Hand stores!
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Carol, I ran across this hastily scribbled note in my vsm parts stool. I don't recall where I saw it - a blog somewhere, but Step 1 may be helpful in removing paint splatter from vsm cabinets (I haven't tried it yet.)
1. Goof Off to remove paint
2. ; Murphy Oil Soap for wood (to clean)
3. Minwas wood finish stain marker for scratch touch up
4. Old English Scratch cover - apply 3 times, with 30 minutes between coats
5. Wait 24 hours to use.
I do need to get to town and buy a few guitar pics!


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Lori, Thank you for notes.  I'll add it to my list!

Yep, those guitar pics come in handy for all sorts of things!  At a great price too!

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