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jennasquiltn

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Spotted a Jones hand crank 3/4 machine today and considered getting it but decided to ask some questions about it here first.  Here is a link to one on Ebay that looks very much like the one I am interested in...https://www.ebay.com/itm/JONES-HAND-CRANK-SEWING-MACHINE-FAMILY-CS-SEWS-VG-/272643975622

For simplicity sake I'll refer to the machine as mine even though it's not, lol.  My machine is missing both slide plates, the needle plate, the shuttle and the foot.  Otherwise it is in very good condition, has the box top, and turns well but could use some oil, probably a good cleaning actually.  Anyway, are any of those pieces attainable, w/out spending a small fortune?  The seller is asking $150, is this machine as it sits worth that?

Thanks for any help.

P.S. wanted to share my best find of the day...a Singer buttonholer, complete and in like new condition...$.75 (75 cents!)
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In very good condition it's worth the effort finding the missing parts, but the price is a bit high. It all depends on what you can afford and are looking for of course. Dirty but hardly used condition doesn't turn up that often, especially if it's a model you have been looking for, then it's worth paying a bit.  A bit more worn, still nice and in complete condition will sooner or later turn up at around $30 to $60, prices vary a lot on vitage stuff. Bargains can be found. Will you ever use this machine? A pristine machine this old tends to be more of a collection item, with slight wear it easier to use it. Fine surface scratches will accumulate on used machine even when we are careful. This Jones looks similar to a Singer 28, might be more common in the US.
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I tend to avoid sm that are missing that many vital parts, especially when a totally complete Jones can be obtained for 1/2 of the asking price.  That said, Helen Howes would have the shuttle + one bobbin for 22 pounds, the slider plates and needle plate for 22,5 pounds.  I didn't look up the foot price, but the total parts would be around $70 plus shipping from the UK.
http://www.helenhowes-sewingmachines.co.uk/vstsplates.html
Here is my $75 Jones...
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Edit....the golden service tag  (lower right) is that of Alex Askaroff, whose web site is
http://www.sewalot.com/
You will find more Jones info on his site, plus his You Tube videos are wonderful

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Thanks to both of you.  DH did make a $50 offer and the man said he would take $75, but not knowing how much or even if we could get parts we decided to wait.  I am not looking for any particular machine, but I do like the 3/4 machines, I once has a Singer 28 hand crank.  I generally use all my machines at some time or another, don't really want for show only pieces.  

Thanks again for the help, gives me something to think about.
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My two cents...

I've been watching for a Jones hand crank for a while now, as I have a friend who wants one. They are ALL $150 and up. Most are in the $200-250 range. The only one I've seen for less was $50, and didn't have so much as a hint of decals anywhere. As folks everywhere are noticing, VSM prices are climbing. Hand cranks in particular are getting more expensive.

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I will agree that once vintage sm hit the channels of trade, such as Ebay , shopgoodwill, or other internet sites,, the prices rise exponentially.  Also the prices on both east & west coasts are the highest.  Here in the midwest, there are bargains galore.  There are two types of sellers, those who think that they have a valuable heirloom and seek a fortune, and the others, who just want the sm gone !  I deal with the latter.  At times, after a garage sale, sm can be found at the curb, for free or awaiting the dumpster.  The local Goodwill will not accept typewriters or sewing machines, as they can not get rid of them.  Just my nickel's worth...
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I just paid $120 for a Singer 28 hand crank on Ebay. I double checked pricing and it seemed to be on the low end. I do sometimes see hand cranks in the Seattle Craigslist but not that many on the Portland Craigslist. I don't like paying that much but I really like the decals on this and the seller seemed competent at shipping. I guess I'll know for sure when it gets here, but it's coming by Fed Ex and was double boxed.
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I will agree that once vintage sm hit the channels of trade, such as Ebay , shopgoodwill, or other internet sites,, the prices rise exponentially.  Also the prices on both east & west coasts are the highest.  Here in the midwest, there are bargains galore.  There are two types of sellers, those who think that they have a valuable heirloom and seek a fortune, and the others, who just want the sm gone !  I deal with the latter.  At times, after a garage sale, sm can be found at the curb, for free or awaiting the dumpster.  The local Goodwill will not accept typewriters or sewing machines, as they can not get rid of them.  Just my nickel's worth...
John


I have a deal with a local thrift store where they call me before tossing any sewing machines. I also currently have a seller who is literally chasing me to ground with a machine (later Household, no fiddle-bed) that I don't even want, which I find especially ironic given all the non-responsive sellers with machines that I do want.

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I answered a Craig's list ad, "old sewing machine, $100", but there was no photo.  When I went for a look-see, it turned out to be a 1889 Singer 28-1 hand crank with delightful flower decals.  The bent wood, ribbed case, has the through belt holes, being a "combination" base.  I told the lady all that I knew about it, even asking if some family member might like to have it.  She had it posted for sale, on & off, for over a year, with only a couple calls, and no visitors.  When I offered her $60, I was somewhat shocked when she replied, "I'll take fifty".  Never before has someone asked for less than I offered !!
     Not perfect, there is good honest wear to the bed decals, but I like that, as a more perfect machine might prevent my use and enjoyment.....to me, she is better than a "Closet Queen" , which spent its life in darkness.  If only she could talk, to tell of her family and history....., she has been well cared for, something that I continue.  I feel less an "owner" and more a steward of historical sewing machines, sometimes a vehicle of rescue, but never a hoarder.
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It's as beautiful machine, John! I have an 1888 floral Singer with the same type of base. I traded machines with a friend to get it. It isn't perfect, and the lid is tweaked, but I absolutely love it. I hope to find a hand crank for her at some point. 
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I have found places with vintage hand cranks for sale. They seem to run about $50 plus shipping. I may pick one up sometime for the Singer 28 I have. It just needs a lot more work than I have time for right now.
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I have found places with vintage hand cranks for sale. They seem to run about $50 plus shipping. I may pick one up sometime for the Singer 28 I have. It just needs a lot more work than I have time for right now.


Ouch! That's a hefty price for just the hand crank! :-(

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I keep hearing bad things about the new hand cranks. One of the reason I bought a hand cranked machine was so I would know the quality of the original ones.
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Sewesoteric, CHECK your 128 for an attachment boss. My 1908 66 doesn,t have one. It is very unlikely to be handcranked.

I have found my Chinese cranks to be adequate for small jobs. Just keep a screwdriver handy. WISH they made them for White machines.

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Sewesoteric, CHECK your 128 for an attachment boss. My 1908 66 doesn,t have one. It is very unlikely to be handcranked.

I have found my Chinese cranks to be adequate for small jobs. Just keep a screwdriver handy. WISH they made them for White machines.


It's the motor boss attachment underneath the hand wheel, right?

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Great. You got it.
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Woohoo! I wish Whites had them too.

So sorry, jennasquiltn! It wasn't my intent to hijack your Jones hand crank thread!

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I check EBay everyday and have bought three machines over the last four months.

It's my observation that 90% are overpriced and freight is a killer.

On the other hand, if you are looking for a specific machine, there is no other place with the variety that is available there.

I search and search (I actually enjoy it!) and there are bargains to be found.
I just received a purchase of a Jones Family CS made in 1894. I bought it for $65 & $45 freight.
It's not as pretty as later years, but it's the first year for this machine.

I really love cleaning and sewing off these old gals many of us addicts!
 
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Nice!  Great Jones.  Was made for Export (black wheel) I'd bet it is/will be smooth as glass.
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Nice!  Great Jones.  Was made for Export (black wheel) I'd bet it is/will be smooth as glass.


Thanks for the compliment!
Can't wait to sew it off.

The top case is not original to the machine. It fits, but the latches do not match the base. It seems the correct top was made in the first two years of manufacture. I'll keep searching.

This site is a jewel. I read it to 2 AM!

Steve

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