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Has anyone ever seen one of these? There's one for sale on a FB selling site. It's a 15 class machine with RAF decals, a red S badge, a later style manual, the upper tension is on the front of the machine, and it says 115 on the stitch length plate. Made in Monza. To me it looks like repro but it doesn't have a feed drop knob on the bed.
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Cari, that is very much like Peter's "Mystery Singer" thread at http://www.victoriansweatshop.com/post/mystery-singer-8388001?&trail=50  I know it is a long thread.  I didn't re-read it.  But, IIRC I'm thinking that it may have been made after 1963 and when Singer revamped/closed Kilbowie, they sent decal sets elsewhere.  

The 115 manual at singer.com I think is for this machine.  There is also a 179, I think, that is similar, as well.

There is also a picture only manual floating around somewhere.

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Thanks Janey, I had forgotten about that. I need to go eat crow now.

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I spent a lot of time researching that one. I also came across it in some of my pictures when I was researching something else. I found it rather interesting that Singer would make "another 115" and would use the RAF decals on it. It seems like Singer was pretty good about not reusing numbers, even going so far as numbering the same part with newer numbers. Like the discs for the T&S machines and even some of the feet.

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As I posted recently (don't know on which tread), I now have two "Mystery Singers", both with RAF decals.  Only the second, hand attachment, one has 115 on the stitch length plate.  Both have the feed dog drop knob co-axial with the bobbin winding spool pin.  This feature is described on page 43 of the Singer.com 115 manual.  The serial numbers are QA18535 (treadle) and QA131190 (hand attachment); the numbers are on the under side of the bed.  My 193M has the same S/N location. but the prefix is MB.  The underbed mechanisms are essentially the same, with the exception of the feed dog dropping which the 193M lacks.  Both have the side hinged trap door bobbin race cover.  Also those pieces with a part number have the format SINGER xxx, rather than the usual SIMANCO xxx.

It would be interesting to know the S/N of the machine that Cari illustrated, given that Moza used a M model suffix and MA, MB, etc S/N prefixes.  Despite the stitch length plate, which is of course removable, I do not accept that it is a 115.

I have to say that my hand attachment machine is a joy to sew with; smooth and light and quiet.

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Peter, does your hand crank have the solid hand wheel with a notch in it? I just noticed that on page 12 of the 115 manual on singer.com.

Did the 193 come with a manual?

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Peter there were other pics in the ad. The serial number, model # on the stitch length and the manual say it is a 1960s model 115. It is a 15 class machine, that's why I didn't think it was really a 115. But then of course all the research that's been done it does look exactly like the 179 that says 115 on it and has the 115 manual. I went back and apologized to him, then said okay, it's not an American built 115 rotary.

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Thank you, Cari. Evidently, with the remodel of the Kilbowie plant they had a bunch of RAF decals that they sent to other factories to use.

I tried to find a copyright date on the singer.com 115 manual, so confirming that the dated manual that came with that machine helps jive with Peter's machines.

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Peter, does your hand crank have the solid hand wheel with a notch in it? I just noticed that on page 12 of the 115 manual on singer.com.

Did the 193 come with a manual?

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No Janey, both machines have the same spoked wheel.  I just looked at the singer.com manual and saw the solid wheel in the drawing.

Again no, no manual with the 193M.  It is a table top model, but came with no moter or hand attachment and has the soild notched wheel.  I put an attachment on it in order to clean and set it up and found that it took a bit of a push to get it to start turning.  Quite unlike the 115!  With a Singer motor it starts easily and will turn slowly; clearly it originally had a motor.

I found a service manual on the web for the 193M, 194M 227M and 228M machines. It is Form 486M (1262), so the machines date from the early 1960s.

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I *think* the guy told me the manual that came with the RAF 115 was from 1963. I think. That was 3 days ago lol.

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