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Madmurdock75

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I have two of these, and really like them. I do have an oiling question and have not been able to find an answer so far. The Union Special website does not have the manual, and they did not respond to my query some time ago. I also tried to buy a manual, but the seller couldn't find it (!) after I had purchased it.

This machine has two places with gears. They are both sealed tight, and it's the sort of material I would have to destroy to remove. I don't believe it was supposed to be accessible through there.

The hook gears are oiled via an oil tube with air pump. There is another set of gears, though, directly under the pillar. It does not appear that the pipe for the hook oiling goes through there as well. I'm not sure how to access it. The two oil holes I thought would be the right ones only take a few drops, and this would need to be a considerable quantity of oil.

Does anyone know about this machine or happen to have a manual?

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Hello,
  My experience is that many times it would be seen by Union Special as a 6100 class machine.  I started to look for manuals and tried an old DOS trick and searched for "Union Special 61*.*  and not sure if it worked but instantly got a hit for a 61100a/6100b/61100c machine with free manual download in .pdf  The machine looks just like yours and is a lock stitch.  Yours is a lockstitch correct and not a chain stitch?  I bet there are little differences between the machines.  This was a parts manual but I'm betting all 6100 class machines are similar.  Just my 2 cents.  One thing to consider is if it uses wicking or not and must be treated appropriately and not use oils with additives that might clog the wicking.
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It is a lockstitch, but every manual I've tried turns out to be only a parts list once I download it. Did you happen to see anything about oiling in the one you found?

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Hi Violet,

  I'm a little intrigued by the 6100 class as it is very similar to the 63900 lock stitch hemmer machines.  We have two and there is a puller that works with it that is nothing short of amazing.  In this manual one can see the stock cast iron stands available.  We have original cast iron stands for two of our FOA's and yes....we have one for one of our 63900 also pictures attached 😉  So, I looked and found a manual for a 61400a/b mechanics manual and attached it here.  It is short but to the point.  I've run across the "saybolt viscosity" before and finally found a conversion.  I have attached this extremely helpful conversion chart to help you in your quest for the correct weight mineral oil also.  Only use mineral oil with no additives.  In this 61400 attached manual it talks about the hole at point "G" and to tilt the machine back then fill the hole to that spot while it is tilted back.  Pretty certain that is the answer to your question.  Manual attached!  I've also attached a picture of one of the two cast iron 35800 FOA stands after restoration.   Attached is a very old picture of the restoration on our 63900am1/2 (I got rid of that Kansai Special 1104 waist band machine in the picture and never looked back as we have two Union Special differential feed 51800's and a Singer 302w201 now).  Note the similarity to your high speed lock stitch and the 63900....I bet it's the same casting.  This picture was before most of the non critical power panel was complete and the difference can be seen in the second.  We have lots and lots and lots of Union Special machines here.  Some we actually got new old stock after lots of hunting.   Best regards, Mike NonCritical18MarKendall.jpg  1104and63900am1:2tables.jpg  picture showing the FOA.  UnionSpecialpaintedFOA.jpg 

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Thanks! That is a later style than what I have. They "streamlined" the machine at some point, so the oiling is different. I am really grateful for everyone's time and help.

Mine have a glass tube at the back that is supposed to be an air pump oil delivery system for the hook. For the other gears, mine is before the oil viewing window was put in. I think it should be via the oil hole on the pillar, but a couple drops is all I can get in there.

You can see the bottom has two enclosed areas. Under those plates are gaskets, probably asbestos ones from what I've looked up. There's a pipe underneath that runs from that oil air pump to the hook area, but it doesn't connect with the other gear box.

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