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TEMPORARY PREAMBLE:  I am creating this thread initially open for discussion.  once it is complete, I will be removing the discussion portion and locking it.  Some portions of the discussion that seem applicable and/or valuable will be preserved in the final thread

First, let me say that as I began to prepare this thread, a member here, Zorba, shared this link to an excellent write up on a safe way to pack machines.

http://web.mit.edu/xiphmont/Singer/machines-packing.html
 

The ONLY thing that I can see that I disagree with is the use of bubble wrap.

Bubble wrap is what is called ablative armor (ruined upon use) as opposed to medium density foam which is not.  Even after taking a hit, foam is still protective.  I have nightmare stories of people sending me machines in bubble wrap where more than 1/2 of the bubbles has burst due to impacts.  Once that occurs, bubble wrap might as well be plastic wrap as far as protection goes.

I decided to write this from a reversed perspective.  I am showing a box I received that was packaged properly and "dissecting" it.

Here is the box in question.  
This was purchased from Wolfegang's Collectibles in New Hampshire.
NOTE: One secret that they use.  They almost always ship 2 day priority mail.  The LESS time it is in the "system" the better.

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Note the abundance of tape.  EVERY seam and corner is taped.   DO NOT SKIMP on this part.  seriously.. Tape is cheap insurance!

Note that the tape is also acting as a seal to protect the labels.  The very last this we want is this package bouncing(literally)around the mail system because of a hard to read or damaged address/barcode

Note that this is a larger box that has been edge cut and folded to shorten it.  Rather than find a box that "just fits", get a bigger tough box and adapt it to the size needed.


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Here we have the top opened up.  Notice that even though the top already has 4 layers because of the cut down box, there is an extra shield piece.  
You will see more of these later. This layer is made from a really heavy old box, cut to size to act as a penetration defense.

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Now we can see the same "plates" are on each side as well.  
This can be used in place of a complete separate inner box in a pinch.  
Here they are just added protection
The long pink pieces are cut to fit so that there is no room for movement once sealed

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Having removed the top layer we see the inner box.  
(NOTE: I removed the inner right and left side foam for this shot to show the box)
Again, this can just be plates of heavy cardboard, but they MUST be setup so nothing can move.
This inner box is completely wrapped in pallet wrap.  
Household kitchen wrap can be used but you need about 2-3x as much.  
U-Haul and Walmart are some of the places that sell the pallet wrap
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Here is the inner "box" removed from the outer assembly.
Note the bulging foam.  always use more than needed and compress to tighten.
You can't see it here but there is also a plate of cardboard on the bottom.

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After a great deal of effort and a good sharp utility knife I have opened the inner package.

Many layers of this pallet wrap drawn up tight, make it a very tough package to get into.
(Note: This also can help deter mid-shipment theft.....)
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A little out of order here, but this is a picture of the top pieces of foam that I removed from the inner box.  
Note how they are cut and gouged out to fit the shape of the machine.
This takes a bit of extra effort, but it also minimizes the pressure of the foam on any decals
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Back in order, here is the machine resting comfortably in its bed of foam.
Note the pallet wrap around the bed of the machine to prevent ANY unwanted movement.
Note: There WAS foam in the harp space and between the needle bar and the bed
But I did not get a good shot of it while it was there
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Here is the result of the packing process.  What we all hope and pray to find.

A safe and sound machine.
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I know you'll have to remove this, but...lovely! Both the packing process and the machine!

I got one from GWO in SD that had one layer of newspaper around it and a box. Needless to say, the thread pin and the motor had been knocked off, and it was plenty scratched as well. I paid $70 to have it shipped to Washington! I sent a fairly nasty note to them, but nothing was done.glad it was a Wizard!

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Margaret - Thank you.  I will be opening a thread for this machine.  I made the replacement slide plate last night (stayed up till 12:30am....bad Steve)
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How and where can we find this type of foam.  I haven't found a good source here in TN.  Did they buy it new?  Perhaps they received it in something shipped to them?  I would love to find a source for it.
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I recycle what foam I can, but I order new from suppliers like Uline. I also get boxes and all manner of packing, shipping and storage supplies from such places.
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I cheat.  I get it free from my work.  it is left over that we toss.  I can ship boxes of just foam to folks if they want to pay the shipping/
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Thanks again Steve. I sent detailed instructions and was very fortunate (I had alreadly removed the excess packing around the 'bubble' and this was the inner box. I couldn't feel the machine inside this packing. Got to love it when people take the time to do it correctly!

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I received my Davis NVF wrapped in several layers of cardboard, the feet punched through the first bottom layer because it was wrapped tight. The feet gripping in and the tight wrapping kept the cardboard from slipping. Also several large, folded peices of cardboard where wedged around and under. She could barely move at all.

It was a cheap packing job for a cheap machine ($33 including shipping! Utter rustbucket = got her cheap) but if you *have* to ship a cheap machine and just can't get your hands on some good foam, careful packing with cardboard can do. Mind you, *careful* packing. Wish I'd thought to take some pictures of her in the box but I was so eager to clean her up!

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It looks like you folks were successful in getting your sellers to properly pack the machines for shipment.  A lot of folks are arrogant as all get out and won't take proper precautions to protect the stuff they're selling.  I'm really happy to see some great packing which results in safe shipment,  thereby avoiding the normal results of careless packing!  I would sure not hesitate to provide instructions for shipping!  Thank you, Steve, for posting those instructions!
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Quote:
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...  Thank you, Steve, for posting those instructions!


Enlightened self-interest..  [biggrin]  but you are welcome none the less

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Good Morning.  Hopefully someone has dealt with this problem before with a sewing machine.   I have a shipping / insurance question for my little Unimat lathe that sustained about $70 worth damage in shipping.  The parts are available so not too big of a deal.  The seller put insurance on the package but I don't wish to return the lathe, just receive part or all of the $70.  I haven't contacted the seller yet so I'm not sure how they are going to react. Any advice?  Thanks.

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I would advise the seller of the cost of the parts which will make the lathe usable and ask to be reimbursed for those plus a reasonable amount for the labor spent to fix it.   
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I would advise the seller of the cost of the parts which will make the lathe usable and ask to be reimbursed for those plus a reasonable amount for the labor spent to fix it.   



Sound reasonable, Thanks.  I was concerned that the insurance would not cover a partial refund but this is the sellers concern I suppose.

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And, as a cautionary tale, here's a classy example of what can happen when you don't heed Steve's advice.  This is from FB, just the other day.  If it doesn't give you a little gut-wrench, you're on the wrong forum.  :-)

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Re broken Willcox & Gibbs hand crank - There would definitely be an urge to, shall I say, violate the law here. 

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Oh Crap!  That is an American style handcrank as well...  SO SORRY....
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To be clear:  this wasn't my machine.  But it hurts nonetheless!  (I do have one of those, which I love.)
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Ok, THIS is the finest packing job I have ever received (outside of Mike from Wolfegangs)

TRIPLE Boxed!!!! and the unit bubble wrapped/shrink wrapped in the center
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Has anyone any experience with Instapak self-inflating packing foam?  Here it is at Uline: https://www.uline.com/BL_7708/Instapak-Quick-Room-Temperature

Saw this on an episode of Modern Marvels and was intrigued.  It would add about $20 for the cost of shipping, but it seems like a more secure solution than bubble wrap?  I would still remove any external parts from the machine and pack those separately.
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That's pretty cool stuff.  I'll definitely consider it if I need to ship a machine (or similar) someday.

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Has anyone any experience with Instapak self-inflating packing foam?  Here it is at Uline: https://www.uline.com/BL_7708/Instapak-Quick-Room-Temperature

Saw this on an episode of Modern Marvels and was intrigued.  It would add about $20 for the cost of shipping, but it seems like a more secure solution than bubble wrap?  I would still remove any external parts from the machine and pack those separately.


The "trouble" with Uline, is that you have to watch the pricing.   Some prices are by the carton, but frequently it is per the piece in the carton.  Consequently a carton of the heavy duty 18 x 16" bags for 10x10x10 boxes would cost $193.  I have seen some boxes packed with several of the expanded bags.

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Not to mention you get on Uline's junk mail list...
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Just got 2 goodwill machines. One with a destroyed bentwood top and bottom (full refund) and the other was perfect.

I'm using the broken one to experiment with refinishing.

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Oh, it was perfect. [frown]
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yes that's ravioliravioli case.jpg
 




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Ravioli!?!?!

My wife's family once moved into a house (that they'd just bought!) and found an entire broiler's worth of congealed dessicated burgers in the oven.  Okay, so they were maybe in a rush to leave. (!?)

But ravioli in a sewing machine?  How does that happen?

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What in the... [confused][frown]?
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Unusual choice of packing material. A SGW choice?
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But ravioli in a sewing machine?  How does that happen?


Pfft. Easy peasy. You run out of manicotti.

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Unusual choice of packing material. A SGW choice?


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