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I rescued this machine on Facebook, from either entry into table-or-lamp purgatory, or from dumpster hell.  Both were real possibilities.
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I did have notions of using the treadle to display my 1871 New Family, but it turns out the New Family doesn't fit in this treadle, so there went my one reason to keep it.

After oiling, the machine and treadle are both very smooth.  I haven't sewn anything "real", but after getting the needle adjusted properly, the usual rectangles of stitches went well, at all stitch lengths.  (This machine doesn't have the "witness mark" on the needle bar to help with the setting the needle -- there must be some other clever technique I'm unaware of.)

I got it for free, so you do too.  I'm keeping most of the few accessories it came with as my only profit.

The machine is in the Boston suburbs.  I'm not really interested in shipping it, but I might be convinced to help with delivery pretty much anywhere in New England.  Plus, we're planning a trip to Virginia (Shenandoah) this fall, and we go to southern New Jersey fairly often, so anywhere en route to either of those might qualify for delivery too.  You might owe me a 6-pack of a refreshing beverage if I deliver.

Pictures of the machine here: https://projects.foxharp.net/sewing_machines/#1877-singer-model-12

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Nice machine!!!  If I wasn't so far away I would be interested!  Utah is a long drive, and shipping would be out of this world....  But its a great find and some one you give it to will enjoy it!! 
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Very nice table and of course the machine as well.  What diameter is the belt in your pictures in the link?  It looks quite large. Best regards, Mike
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Oh wow, I would love this but I live in the U.K.. !!!
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Mike -- the belt is 1/4".  Seems to fit the pulley fine -- I'm sure 3/16" would work as well.  The old belt has two staples in it, and it looks like one is just bent coat hanger, so someone had already patched it back together.  When I tried to get it on the pulley, of course it broke again -- rotted through and through.

Interestingly, the large pulley on my 1871 New Family treadle is 10" in diameter.  The one on this 1877 is just 8-1/2".  I wonder why they reduced the ratio, or if the treadles were always available with different sizes?  I'll have to look.

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Hello group,  I might need to post this somewhere else.  I have a no 12 Singer.  The shuttle does not have an indentation in it on mine.  In this picture attached the shuttle does have an indentation.  We have two Singer model no 2 machines as well that I'm working on getting running now.  One is an Imperial with large shuttle (and a wheel for feeding the cloth that is 5 inches in diameter in place of feed dogs).  The Imperial has a massive bobbin and a shuttle 3 inches in length.  The other machine has a regular feed dog, smaller hand wheel, and much smaller shuttle (that is missing and the reason for this post).  The Singer model 12 shuttle fits in the carrier fairly well however there is not a notch for the carrier like this picture from a model 12.  I'm looking to buy a Singer no 12 shuttle or one similar to this that will work.  Here is the picture.  Please let me know...shipping will be to Michigan where I can get it forwarded to my location.  Best regards, Mike  edited to add.....I might be able to use a donor shuttle and modify with metal work and welding but really would rather not and avoid this.  I can buy the bullet shuttles fairly low cost and would likely source some of the internal parts and leaf from it as needed if I must make a shuttle.  A no 12 shuttle is the correct starting point.
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A new thread in "Wanted" might get more attention.  There's also a thread all about the model 12 and its clones somewhere.

Sorry I can't help.  I have one shuttle per machine.  I got one of them from Helen Howes in the UK -- you could try her.

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Hi Paul,

  Already figured out the 12k shuttles.  On eBay UK there are several boat shuttles for sale in the 50 dollar range for "some old Singer, Jones and Fister and Rossman  machines" ...11mm wide and 48mm long same as the model 12 but these later ones that came from 12k clones have a quick tensioning system that they claim takes no longer than 5 seconds to thread without need for tweezers. Essentially a pop up piece that is a tension leaf of sorts. I mis spoke I think technically.  The number 12 is a transverse (right to left), most of the latter like the 128 are vibrating (arc).  These machines have the shuttle travel back and forth in a straight line front to back of machine not side to side and not in an arc.....so not sure what that would be called.    It is obvious the dimensions on this smaller no 2 are the same as the 12k.  Where the needle goes into the bed (below the plate) the area it slides on is cupped out a bit for what I think is better formation of the loop.  On the much larger 3 inch shuttle this causes no problem.  On this smaller shuttle the tip of the shuttle takes a nose dive rubbing rear of shuttle against the bottom of the slide out rear plate but only mostly at slow speeds still un acceptable.   I'll get it figured out and have some ideas to fix this problem.  Sure would be nice to talk to another owner of a model 2 and/or model 3.  I'm working on tensioning and how it is done right now.  These machines are simple enough one can figure things out in more than one way I think is the obvious part.  Hopefully, I'll have it sewing in the next couple days (one of the two machines that is) and be making a pair of cargo shorts on it.  I can't even find any youtube videos on an operating no 2 yet.
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I'm interested, if it's still available. About 5-5 1/2 hours north of you so getting there is do-able, if an otherwise long day on the road. PM me if it is still needing a new home and we can work out the details.

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Well, I'm certainly glad that worked out.  Nice meeting you, Jim!

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Same here, Paul. I have dug out my laptop and will post the o-ring catalog and the part numbers we have been able to use so far, but suprisingly, the 12 has a different sized winder than the Saxonia type machines we have. Guess they changed some of the dimensions to suit and didn't just do a straight knock-off, but it's interesting to see how many of the parts will interchange.
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