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Have a chance to buy a fancy legged Florence for $200. Says it doesn't work. Has a separate top, not the hinged one. What do you think? Yes? No?
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The round looking Florence... with the hinged top... Boston, 1856 to 1879? That Florence?
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No hinged top, top like a coffin top
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Personally?... I would PM SteveH-VSS directly. The opportunity to own a Florence is crazy rare. If the machine needs a piece mended, or fabricated, I would think it would depend on which piece... and that is way out of my wheel-house. That's a "serious collector's" question. Maybe someone else can help.
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Have a chance to buy a fancy legged Florence for $200. Says it doesn't work. Has a separate top, not the hinged one. What do you think? Yes? No?
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Sounds like a bargain!  I'd go for it in a heartbeat![crazy]

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I would, without seeing it
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Bought it. Looks pretty good for being 158 yrs old? Original paperwork in the drawer. Needle and foot are there. Can't get pics until it stops raining so I can get it out of the car.
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Oh i hope the sun comes out soon !!! Original paperwork....extra nice bonus.

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Awesome! (With a side of envy)
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She really didn't have a clue. It doesn't have a belt, so I need to find one. Everything rotates. Shuttle and bobbin in machine. A little Restor-a-finish and some cleaning is all she needs. I certainly have dealt with machines in much worse condition. Thanks for all of your help.
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What Steve said.   And, looking forward to pictures for sure!!  [smile]


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Original instruction manual, 8 needles (some with a touch of rust) 2 more bobbins, little wrench. Try to get pics today.
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That's an awesome deal, congrats.  My machine didn't come with any needles.  
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That's an awesome deal, congrats.  My machine didn't come with any needles.  

Where can I find a belt for it?
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I got my belt from a leather shop in pa.  Someone had suggested Tandy to me once I think for online. 
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I got my belt from a leather shop in pa.  Someone had suggested Tandy to me once I think for online. 

What size would I get?
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What a GREAT find!!!!   Congrats!  I would like to think a standard leather treadle belt should work.  We usually end up cutting off some of its length and putting a new hole and closing the staple and all is well.
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I do not know of anyone who is making flat belts.  I had a supply of leather I use for our medieval reenactment stuff, but I would also go to Tandy to get some if needed.

6oz is probably about the right leather weight.  Suede leather grips better.  I cut the strip to length, remove 1/4" and then sew the ends butted together. 
The 1/4" removal seems to set the right amount of tension.

The flat belts do stretch more than the round ones (evolution baby) so if you use it a bunch, expect to have to trim and reconnect from time to time

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As mentioned, the Florence takes a flat leather belt. Thickness of the belt may be an issue; there is a seller on eBay that has a belt and installation instructions for Florence and other machines. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wide-Leather-Treadle-Belt-For-Florence-Grover-Baker-Wheeler-Wilson-Sewing-Mach-/142857977000

It may be pricey, but considering finding belt material of the right thickness would be a considerable effort, this may be the way to go. I have been doing leather work on and off for decades and have resorted to buying leather in half-hides to keep stocked on the leather I needed for belts, straps and other items. 

Regular treadle users have it easy as round belting is readily available in different sizes, but flat belting is usually quite thick and used for belts to wear - not to power sewing machines. That said, it may be the seller is cutting belting from hides to get the width and thickness right, so that takes time and investment and adds to the price. 

Personally, I have always made leather items for my own use and not for sale. One reason is everyone wants custom leather work at Walmart prices. Not gonna happen. 

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Well so much for my thinking...... I have never seen one of those in person and didn't know they took a flat belt.  Been at this repairing stuff only 2 years and learn new stuff at least several times a day!!!  Love the old machines tho!!!  Sorry if I added any confusion!  Good thing Steve is here to help keep it correct!!!   Thanks Steve!!
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there is a fellow in South west Ontario making belts that i know of and one in the UK. Both make belts for tractors, steam powered items. They have small belting for the small engines and devices and has the same weights of leather used for the sewing machines. I am not sure how well it works, but they have told me to try to use water and let the belt dry. They want me to try this with the round belt and tell them how well it works with the round belt. The tractor ones tighten up after they run in the rain and dry in the sun. They get loose a bit with rain. I am not suggesting this, just a "food for thought" thing and want to try this myself one day.

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I can confirm that soaking the belt and letting it dry off the machine will tighten a stretched belt to some extent.  I have do it from time to time.
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What size would I get?


Honestly I forgot what width it should be and I can't find it in my messages, someone else may be able to answer that if you don't go for one of the pre-cut options that are available now. 
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