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Does anyone else own one of these?  Apart from a single page advertising it in the Fiftieth Anniversary Edition Manual for the Famous Buttonhole Worker (Lenox Manufacturing Co., Catasauqua, Pa.), I haven't been able to find any information about it.  It would date to c. 1966.
If anyone can share photos of the original packaging, the attachment screw or a scan of the original manual I would be very grateful.  Thank you.
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AND - I am embarrassed to ask what I am certain is a Newbie question:
Can anyone identify this piece for me please? I find them in various sets of attachments.
Thank you.  And thank you for not laughing at my ignorance. Okay, go ahead and laugh. I won't hear you [smile]
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Sorry, I can't help with the zipper foot.

The unknown part is called a gauge for White rufflers. I found it in White Rotary books 11 & 12 which maybe came from https://www.singer.com/support I also found it in http://ismacs.net/domestic/manuals/franklin-rotary-manual-1926.pdf which is actually a White machine. It is shown on page 22 and is #4 in the illustration on that page. I thought I had seen better instructions for it, but I can't find them.

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Thank you, Janey, for the attachment education.  I appreciate it.  And thank you for the link to the manual. You helped me more than you know. I had been searching for a reference chart of the earlier needle sizes and this manual includes one.
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I'm glad I could help.

Thank you for the image of an actual zipper foot. I have seen the page, but had forgotten where. I was trying to see if I could find a patent for it. Trying to figure out approximately when I tried to figure out where the page was. After googling "Fiftieth Anniversary Edition Manual for the Famous Buttonhole Worker," I realized that the I had a blue plastic box with a Famous BH attachment. I have a manual with it, but I couldn't find a date on mine. Sure enough, there on the last page was the same. I noticed yours has "Singer" under it, but mine had "Singer" blacked out.

I think I figured out where you got 1966 as a date. Was it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttonholer ? Actually the original patent was from 1895 and was assigned to Lenox in the original patent - http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US549538.pdf The 1916 patent referred to is http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US1184093.pdf

If you look on page 15 or 16 of https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A2007615/pages/datastream/PDF/download you will see that Lenox Mfg. Co. was advertising the "Famous" in 1899.

I have been searching for a patent like the zipper foot shown prior to 1946 but haven't been able to find it.

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I have only seen this attaching method used with White sewing machines in their" White is King" era attachment tins. I think the manufacture was Goodrich that used this method to attach feet to machines.

Wiki is incorrect in this article and reference [1] is just made up and not a patent at all. No patent info, no number, no link, all of which is required to be a reference.

The patent of 1895 is correct for the "Famous" brand attachment.

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Can I put in a plug for editing Wikipedia?  Anyone can do it, and it's when subject-matter experts contribute that Wikipedia gets good, and stays good.  I submit that there are a lot of "subject-matter experts" here.  :-)  (All of whom are computer savvy, can write, and (given how much time we all spend here) clearly have time on their hands.  ;-)

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Dear Janey, Thank you again! It was the 1916 patent I relied upon. Believing I had found my primary reference, I didn't continue my research.  Rookie mistake. Thank you for correcting me.  I have no ego. I am grateful for every correction and redirection [smile].  I appreciate the link to the initial patent.

Dear John, I am unfamiliar with the White attachment method you are referring to. Can you share any photos?

Dear Paul, I agree 100%. What a waste of time misinformation can cause. I'm certain the members of this board could greatly enrich Wikipedia with truly expert information and resources.

Regarding this foot, I am most interested in learning the means of attaching it.  The eyes are 1/8" wide. Each eye must be flush with the presser bar for the needle to clear the foot for either left side or right side needle position.  I tried the screw included with the Fiftieth Anniversary Buttonhole Worker because the foot and attachment are contemporaries and it seems the most simple, economical means for the company to use. But if a screw is the only means of attaching it to the presser bar it would need to be longer. The eyes aren't threaded so the screw would only provide balance for the eye beyond the presser bar. With the foot attached on my 15-88 and the Famous screw tightened all the way to the screw stop, the foot is too loose and would cause a needle break within seconds of use.

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I was going to mention something about a quilting guide. I looked at some of my attachments. I'm wondering if it was to be used with that? Not a very good picture, but the type of guide I'm thinking about the kind that does not have a foot attached. There is a picture of one at https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage-antique-machine-enthusiasts-f22/vintage-parts-attachments-singer-white-sewing-machines-t181030.html on the right below the tin. I'm thinking that because the holes look narrower than the zipper foot, that it would fit between and hold steady? The needle sure looks like it is in the right position.

Do you have calipers? I'll try to measure my guide and see what it is later.

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I have a few quilt gauges like the one pictured at https://i.etsystatic.com/6295954/r/il/a4da9a/1722193159/il_1140xN.1722193159_nasg.jpg only none of them have writing on them. I measured the width of the edges that the bar goes through. The distance is .442 of an inch, which is a tad more than 7/16 inch. I can't tell for sure but it looks like maybe you could take the bar out, set the area in between and behind the double zipper foot, then put the bar through both pieces and then attach to presser bar.

I wonder if it was for ZZ machines that you can move the needle position or for straight stitch machines??? I can't remember if you can put the thumb screw in from either side. I'm trying to help, but probably making things more confusing.

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I made a mistake on the White set. It doesn't look the same. I tried to look for the patent, with no results. I have problems with looking up patents sometimes, and it is a patent applied for, to make things worse lol. I have never seen one. The white set i was thinking of had an adapter to mount several different attachments on a main foot. The quilt guide idea that Janey states looks like a very plausible route. The sliding part would stabilize the foot to the presserfoot bar. My presser foot from the 1889 wood puzzle box doesn't come apart, but i did see one that did that would lend it's self to clamp the foot down as well. It is the later one in the Green carboard box and the quilting part has the guide going in both directions.

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I believe Janey is right in that this foot needs a bar to go through the holes, very similar to the quilting guides she referenced.  I was thinking I had seen this type of foot before with some plastic inside the holes to help it stay on the bar.  Then it would use the bracket to attach to the presser foot.  Depending on the bracket, it could attach to a low shank, high shank or even slant shank machine.  Possibly even a top-clamper, but that might be a stretch.  Here's a picture of the two types of quilting guides that Janey has already provided links to:
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And here's a picture of one of them attached to a Featherweight:
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I have a lot of different gauges that are different diameters, so I think that this is how this particular zipper foot works.  But I don't recall ever seeing any kind of instructions for it and it's strange that it's pictured all by itself in the Famous literature.  Maybe there was a bar that was included somewhere else that was supposed to fit into this foot?? 

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Oooh, there's another type of bar attachment that might work better to make sure the foot aligns more properly to the needle.  Let me get a pic of that and I'll attach it.
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Here's the other type of attachment system I found, but I think the screw is not quite correct.  And I can't seem to get this guide to secure to my side-clamping machines.  The bar will pass through the hole in the presser bar where the presser foot screw goes, but then I can't get it to secure to anything.  Maybe this is for a top-clamping machine?  Sorry, but I'm just not all that familiar with top-clampers.  Anyway, food for thought.
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Thank you, Erika!!!!

It seems like I've seen (not in person) the U-shape one, but don't remember in relationship to what. The quilting guides I have probably came from Japanese and one is was in a plastic Necchi box. They all had something inside to steady the bar.

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The one i was thinking of was Simanco quilting foot 35932, but that one won't do. Isn't there a walking foot with feet attachments for the 500-600 singers? Maybe one of those too. Interesting foot.

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Rebecca, would you mind if I shared your photo of the foot to another group that I belong that is only for attachments?  It's possible that someone there will have more info on it.  I don't want to share the photo without your permission, though, so please let me know if that's alright.

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Dear Janey, John and Ericka,

Okay. So I tried the quilting bar. I actually own the exact Greist quilting bar that's in the photo you provided, Janey. However, the upright of the zipper foot must be against the presser bar to be in the correct working position to align the needle with the indentations at each side of the foot.  Once the quilting bar is attached, you can see the bar is too far behind to serve as support.

As was reasoned before from the original patent for the Famous Buttonhole Worker, this foot would date to c. 1945 (thank you again, Janey, for the date correction), so I believe it was for straight stitch machines. In my photos the needle is in the center/straight stitch position - only the foot has been moved to the left or right. I have to think this is the way it was designed to work.  But there must also be a way to lock the foot in position. I tried a standard hardware screw with a nut, one long enough to pass through the left eye, the presser bar, the right eye and then attach the nut.  The problem then was that while it was secured to the presser bar it was still too loose. The foot could wobble uncontrollably from side to side. 

This is such a curiosity to me now.  I too am searching for the patent hoping it will illustrate the means of attaching it.  So far I haven't found anything even close to this design. The company promise, "Attaches Easily," is taunting me [crazy]!

Ericka, you are welcome to use the photos.  I have been collecting attachments for several years now. May I know the group you mentioned?  All I know about attachments I've learned through my own purchases of attachments and vintage books, internet research, and by reading some topics on The Quilting Board and here on Victorian Sweatshop.  I would love to learn more.

Thank you to all of you for your help and suggestions. 
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The needle sure lines up nicely the way you have it pictured. I'm not sure if the Greist one is wider than the other one. I can't tell from the picture are the areas on the side of the the front tab of the foot rounded? Can you turn the guide bar around and does that piece the bar slides through fit between the loops on the sides of the zipper foot? Maybe turn the bar around so the fork that attaches is faced toward the back of the machine? Maybe the bar can stay attached and slide down to fit in front of the presser bar and behind the tab of the foot?

Boy, I sure wish I had one of those to play with.

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The attachments group is a Yahoo group that is easy to join.  There hasn't been a lot of activity lately, but there are lots of pictures of different attachments in the Photos section and a lot of knowledgeable people there.  You can find the group here:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Singer-Attachments/info

I'm wondering if the last quilting bar setup that I showed might work better.  You could run the quilting bar through the holes of the zipper foot and also through the hole in the presser bar.  If you could then find a way of tightening down the U-shaped stop, it would secure the foot, I think.  I'm just not sure how to accomplish that. 

I'll go share the pics now to the Yahoo group.  Sorry, but I needed to thaw out from shoveling my driveway with temps in the teens.  And also had to shovel a path for my neighbor who broke her ankle a couple weeks ago.  Aaand we're supposed to get some more tonight and next week.  Yeesh, what a horrible winter.  At least this time it's just snow and not ice and power outages.

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I finally found an eBay listing with this zipper foot included in it.  Here's a link to the listing, hope that's okay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-Singer-Greist-Apex-Sewing-Machine-Accessories-3-Boxes-Rotary-Attachments/113686133775?hash=item1a7838bc0f%3Ag%3ABzEAAOSwroJcfCuu&LH_BIN=1
You have to go into the listing and look at the 4th picture to see the foot.  Also, keep in mind that this is still a pretty good jumble of feet, so note that there is a foot behind it and another foot underneath the bar, so the zipper foot is not entirely clear.  But you do see that there is a bar running through the holes and there is some sort of rubber/plastic inside the holes which helps to hold the bar in place. 

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I can now see it going together in my minds eye. I never hear of this attachment, only the button hole attachment. Are there any others i don't know about?

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I can now see it going together in my minds eye. I never hear of this attachment, only the button hole attachment. Are there any others i don't know about?

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Lots, I'm sure!  I suppose I should post some pics of unique or rare attachments that I have in my collection.  Maybe one day....
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I'd love that. I like Singers most and have Singer stuff, but not much Famous, just the button hole machine. I am trying to put the Singer Style 12 for the files here into PDF very soon. I have 3 different singer tins. 2 Singer branded and one the after market Griest for singer( maybe, haven't quite got it yet) . I hope to also get the PDFs here for styles 9 and 10 also. They can come in handy for seeing what you have or to help others.

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I've already scanned the manuals for the Style 3, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 puzzle boxes if you'd like them.  And I also have scanned the manuals for the Style 14 and 24 Singer tins.  Let me know if you'd like a copy of any of the PDFs.
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I would love a style 14 manual. I have one but no manual.

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Nope Ericka that's not what I'm seeing. I see a quilting guide sitting on a teflon foot with a zipper foot in front of it.

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Your opinions please: I believe I’ve discovered the patent for this foot. The illustrations aren’t as helpful as I’d hoped because the Famous foot looks significantly different. If this is the original patent I believe the design was streamlined before it was put into production. The designer intended that this foot be hinged which is a curious omission from the finished Famous foot. Apart from the appearance and the absence of the pivot pin, the dates, concept and descriptions all correspond with this Famous Double Zipper and Cording Foot. What do you think? Is this it or should I keep searching for another, different patent?

https://patents.google.com/patent/US2184604?oq=presser+foot+1939+cording#citedBy


P.S. Please forgive me this criticism: Google Patents AI text conversion leaves too much to be desired. The errors prevent complete returns on enquiries.

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Erica, did you post those manuals on the Yahoo group? I agree with Cari, that the one in that photo is a regular adjustable zipper foot. I see the reflection of the orange screw on the part that would be attached to the presser bar of the quilting bar. I have at least one with orange plastic screw and also I think one with green plastic screw. Also the zipper foot has more bends than the "Famous" one. I don't think I've ever seen a quilting bar like the one below with the reddish part. Sure wish there were better pictures.

HopeInMyHeart, I agree with text conversions while searching for patents. To say nothing of the different terms used for the inventions. I don't think that is the right patent. Some one may have "played" off of it to have an adapter on the front of the presser bar.

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Yep, I see the orange screw now.  What can I say, it looked like ones that I've seen before and I've been a little under the weather, so maybe not seeing the picture clearly last night.  But I'm sure I've seen those zipper feet with the plastic inside the holes with a quilting type bar going through.  Just can't seem to locate any right now...

I'm not sure if the patent relates to this foot, either.  The picture of the foot certainly doesn't have the double loops in it, but no telling how things might have progressed in time. 

And, Janey, I think the only other place I've shared those manuals was on the Needlebar site.  I've shared pictured of the layouts from all those manuals on the Yahoo group site, but the entire manuals.  The Yahoo group site is more about attachments than manuals, but I've sent copies of PDFs to various people.

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Erica, I've seen quilting bars like that, too. I don't know if I have one or not. I didn't see it when I looked earlier.

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Dear Janey and Ericka,
Thank you for your feedback. I’ll keep searching. When I do find it (and I am oh so determined to) you will be the first to know.

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I have a few of those quilting guides where the bar goes through the plastic. I've also got a walking foot that has a slot for the quilting guide but I've never seen a zipper foot with one. Why would a zipper foot have a quilting bar attached?

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Dear Cari,
We were experimenting to try to solve the problem. I acquired this foot in a mixed lot of sewing feet. There was no means to attach it. I’ve searched for any documentation of this foot and appealed to many people in the hopes that someone might own one that is complete. Of course I would love to be able to use this foot. But also, as a collector interested in sewing attachments, their development, design and history, I would like to complete the set for historical reference.
Together, we were just imagining the possibilities and trying to answer the questions. All of which makes sharing on this forum so much fun!

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Rebecca I understand where you're coming from, I asked the question in response to Ericka's statement - 

" But I'm sure I've seen those zipper feet with the plastic inside the holes with a quilting type bar going through.  Just can't seem to locate any right now..."

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Why would a zipper foot have a quilting bar attached?
Cari 

Well, unfortunately, I can't answer that.  It just seems to me that I've seen something like that before, but I could always be wrong.  It does happen.

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 Why would a zipper foot have a quilting bar attached? Cari 

Well, unfortunately, I can't answer that.  It just seems to me that I've seen something like that before, but I could always be wrong.  It does happen.

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As well as I could be wrong.

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I was so sertain I had some back attaching feet but instead took pics
of my scraps...the metal kind..not soft like fabric scraps.

Just can’t seem to throw away parts to old machines. One has the name
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I was very impressed with the feet that have a round hole at top to connect to machine.

If anyone needs any one of these let me know as not needed by me.

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Here is photo that would go into my edit post.

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So, this foot is NOT the same as what we're trying to figure out in this thread, but maybe it's what's been triggering my memory of seeing a quilting-type bar going through the loops:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sewing-Machine-Feet-Plate-And-Notions/123701619164?hash=item1ccd30e9dc:g:VEwAAOSwEVZck4bP

You should be able to clearly see the combo zipper foot + quilting foot in this listing.  Maybe there's an older version of this out there that correlates to Rebecca's foot.  Just more food for thought...

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So, this foot is NOT the same as what we're trying to figure out in this thread, but maybe it's what's been triggering my memory of seeing a quilting-type bar going through the loops:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sewing-Machine-Feet-Plate-And-Notions/123701619164?hash=item1ccd30e9dc:g:VEwAAOSwEVZck4bP

You should be able to clearly see the combo zipper foot + quilting foot in this listing.  Maybe there's an older version of this out there that correlates to Rebecca's foot.  Just more food for thought...

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I Had to look at it close up for a few minutes, but it's not a zipper foot. It's a gathering foot of some sort. Now THAT I can understand having a guide on it.


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I'm not sure if I have one like that, but it seems like I have seen one like it.

That is quite a conglomerate of "fiddly bits." A bunch of different bobbins, 206x13 needles and the cams look like something from Japanese machines as does the zipper foot under the quilting bar. I sure wish they would take better pictures.

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Actually, I think I was looking cross-eyed once again, too late at night.  If you look at the very last picture in the listing, you'll see the zipper foot by itself and there's no quilting guide nearby.  When I look at the first pictures again, I'm thinking now that the quilting foot is, once again, on the zipper foot.  This kind of thing must be why I have this picture in my mind....
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Now I look again and I think the last picture is of a different zipper foot.  Aaargh!  I don't know what to think anymore.
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Thank you for your feedback. I’ll keep searching. When I do find it (and I am oh so determined to) you will be the first to know.

I keep looking for it, too. I keep studying and trying to figure out what it would look like. I can't remember which one I got, but either https://shop.sew-classic.com/Replacement-Presser-Foot-Thumb-Screw-Extra-Long-284.htm or http://shop.sew-classic.com/Screw-Kenmore-Walking-Foot-Arm-Actuation-Screw-SKL.htm and as it turns out it works for a stitch length lever on one of my 15s, I think. Possibly it would need a spacer so could put in center so adjust left or right. Since the foot loops don't have threads I would think that it would need a nut for the other end??



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Here's the other type of attachment system I found, but I think the screw is not quite correct.  And I can't seem to get this guide to secure to my side-clamping machines.  The bar will pass through the hole in the presser bar where the presser foot screw goes, but then I can't get it to secure to anything.  Maybe this is for a top-clamping machine?  Sorry, but I'm just not all that familiar with top-clampers.  Anyway, food for thought.
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I was off on one of my bunny trails and noticed this guide bar is shown in the Necchi BU Nova manual. It is a high shank machine. The picture shows it as fitting above the presser foot and the screw on the left side, with the guide bar going in front of the presser bar as shown on page 29 of the pdf. I found the manual at http://freenecchisewingmachinefiles.weebly.com/uploads/1/8/7/3/18731174/necchibunovainstructions.pdf

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Is the screw from the buttonholer loose in the zipper foot?  If it is, then you have the wrong screw.  The original probably has a shoulder on it to fit the zipper foot.
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Rodney, the foot itself doesn't have any threads inside the loops.  She was just showing the distance and used that since it was advertised with the buttonholer.

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The shoulder would be a raised smooth area between the threads and the head of the screw for the foot to ride on.  It would make the foot stay level instead of cocking to one side.
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So, this foot is NOT the same as what we're trying to figure out in this thread, but maybe it's what's been triggering my memory of seeing a quilting-type bar going through the loops:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sewing-Machine-Feet-Plate-And-Notions/123701619164?hash=item1ccd30e9dc:g:VEwAAOSwEVZck4bP

You should be able to clearly see the combo zipper foot + quilting foot in this listing.  Maybe there's an older version of this out there that correlates to Rebecca's foot.  Just more food for thought...

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I went ahead and bought this as there were a couple of things that interested me. Here's a closer pic of the foot in question -
S5030192.jpg  It's adjustable but I don't think it's a zipper foot, it's pretty wide for that. Don't know for sure though.

I wanted the needle plate, I kinda thought it looked like a Brother plate. But a couple of other things I've found to be interesting. One of the needle books is from WT Grant dept. store, so I'm gonna guess that the needle plate, feet and cams went to a Bradford machine which is Brother built.

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Reply with quote  #49 
Cari, I thought a lot of Japanese machines came with the wider zipper foot. I remember Miriam trying a Singer SS zipper foot on a Japanese machine, but didn't work as it was too narrow for the feed dogs.

I hadn't seen one connected with a quilting bar, though. I was thinking the Montgomery Wards had the wide zipper foot. I checked my pdfs and found one that I think I got on one of the Yahoo groups. Probably it was on Japanese or WeFixIt. It is "MW Signature URR 285 Manual" and it shows the attachment you have on page 13 of the pdf. The picture of it isn't very good and only the one picture of it.

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This quilting guide attachment is found with mid-century (German) Gritzner-Kayser machines, also the (rebadged) White, Kenmore, and Domestic machines that Gritzner-Kayser manufactured. All are high shank (like the Necchi referred to). That thumb screw is not original, even tho it fits/works.




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