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kndpakes

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I added a page to my website showing some specialty attachments that were not part of the standard Domestic attachments sets. It is mostly more than you ever wanted to know about Domestic chainstitch loopers, but also shows a buttonhole worker, embroiderer, and a manual image of a free motion foot. 

It anybody has one of those free motion feet, called an Etching Foot or Kensington Attachment, I would love to see photos! I have been looking for one for years.

Link here:  http://www.kelsew.info/domestic/domesticspecial.html

Does anybody else have any unusual Domestic attachments?

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Thank you Kelly, that was very interesting. [smile] Do you know if those loopers and carriers also fitted any other brands?

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That's fascinating.  I'd never heard of such a thing for a shuttle-based machine.  How well do they work?



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Olaf, I had only heard about them for Domestics until recently (other than the Standard spider for a rotary machine), but I saw an ad in a Sewing machine Times for a VS looper for a different brand. I can't remember what it was, maybe Standard (?), but I will try to find it again.

Paul, I have only tried it on my Domestic D and I could not get it to make good stitches. Others on TreadleOn have reported getting a looper to work well on their machines. I only have the chainstitch plate for the Domestic D, although I have the 1891+ Domestic and New Domestic machines with the right shuttle carriers. 
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Olaf, here is is. Standard advertised a VS looper. Although lots of people have the chainstitch spider for the Standard rotary, I have never seen their VS looper or seen anyone write about it. I zoomed in on the ad and it looks exactly like the New Domestic shuttle carrier and looper. There were a lot of similarities between certain models of Domestic and Standard machines in that era. William Mack, the founder of Domestic, left the company to found Standard and I think they remained connected to some extent.

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And, as for other brands, White also made a chainstitch set for their rotary machines numbered higher than 34,200.  Here's a pic of the set and, while I have the original instructions, they're hard to read, so I typed them out so you can actually read it.
White Chain Stitch Set.jpg  White Chainstitch Instr.jpg 

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This is new knowledge for me, thanks Kelly. Did several others also make chainstitch sets for rotary machines? After all, that must be very much easier to make and adapt, than for a SM with any kind of shuttle.

Edit: There was a "Standard rotary sewing machine slim spider chain stitch needle plate chainstitch" on eBay, it is marked sold, so the photo will be taken down soon. Double click the image, scroll down a little on the new version of the page, click the photo with thumbnails under to get a large version, use 'save as' to have all 9 photos to your PC. Check out the text lower on the page, about Fred Sanford.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Standard-rotary-sewing-machine-slim-spider-chain-stitch-needle-plate-chainstitch-/392881936991

Wow, price $120 !

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Olaf, along the lines of the similarity between the Standard and Domestic VS looper, the earliest Domestic rotary I have found was very similar to the early Standard rotary and uses the same spider. Other than that and the White Ericka posted, I don't know of any. Maybe somebody else will chime in with more info.

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Also keep in mind that there were 2 Standard Rotary chain stitch spider setups.  One was the "Stout" and the other was the "Slim".  Don't ask me which one went to what machine, lol!  I haven't figured all that out yet.  And you need the spider and the chainstitch plate to make it work, although I've heard of people using the regular throat plate and making it work.  And I also think there were different throat plates for different size threads, but again, don't have any solid info on that.

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For Standard rotaries, the solid pin spider goes with slim machines (after a certain SN, not the really early ones) and the hollow pin spider goes with stout machines. The solid pin one is the kind that fits my early Domestic rotary. Needlebar did a survey that has a lot of info about them.

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For Standard rotaries, the solid pin spider goes with slim machines (after a certain SN, not the really early ones) and the hollow pin spider goes with stout machines. The solid pin one is the kind that fits my early Domestic rotary. Needlebar did a survey that has a lot of info about them.

Kelly
Correct, I have the solid pin one for my Standard Slim.

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According to Fred Sanford, that sold the eBay spider that I linked to above, spiders for the Stout are available too, but he points out that some Standard machines do chain stitches, some don't.

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Yeah, I've seen that eBay listing there for a while.  I didn't realize that runningdirtdigger was Fred Sanford on FB, interesting.  Too bad the weblink he had to go to for more info was removed by eBay.  For $120, I could buy one of the all-steel Touch & Sew machines that do chain stitching and have money left over.  There are scads of those chain stitch setups for the T&Ss and they usually come with, lol.  But if you're a collector or have a Standard, there ya go, unless you troll eBay and see them jumbled in with a pile of top-clamping attachments.  I've found several that way 😉 
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I have a Domestic treadle...and three loopers.   I think there were two different loopers, but the one pictured below is the only one not in storage at the moment so I can't compare.  I don't even know if one of them will fit my machine as it is also in storage!  I love the little red tins! [biggrin] Domestic Looper.jpg 



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Hilltop, that is the Domestic D version. It is the easiest to identify due to its lever like attachment vs the ring that turns. If you ever get your others out, I would love to know if you have the one I am missing photos of (the one in the 1891 Improvements manual shown on the page I started this thread with). 

Olaf, this Needlebar article has info about the spiders and what machines they fit. They did a survey and reported results, so there are not definitive ranges of SNs for what will work and what won't. It is more info than I have ever found anywhere else, however, and  shows photos of the two versions.   http://needlebar.org/main/survresults/standard1/index.html

I suggest following Ericka's advice and scouting eBay attachment auctions for spiders. They are pretty easy to spot if the seller does decent photos.

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Thank you Kelly, I've archived a .pdf printout. I am impressed by the engineers that came up with all the strange, but wonderful solutions, in a time where only pen, paper and a sharp mind were the tools. I am always interested in ancient technology, the more unusual, the better!

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Hilltop, that is the Domestic D version. It is the easiest to identify due to its lever like attachment vs the ring that turns. If you ever get your others out, I would love to know if you have the one I am missing photos of (the one in the 1891 Improvements manual shown on the page I started this thread with). 


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Thank you, Kelly, for identifying it!  I'm so looking forward to eventually getting my collection put back together and will share more things then, no doubt, than anyone really wants to see, lol!  My Domestic is the fiddlebed model.

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I'm so looking forward to eventually getting my collection put back together and will share more things then, no doubt, than anyone really wants to see, lol! 


No, no, no, some of us want to see EVERYTHING, lol!!!!

And, Kelly, the ones I generally find are the ones where the seller has TERRIBLE pictures!!!  Otherwise, unless it's a BIN listing, you can get a lot of competition bidding and I'm out.  I found the rare Standard embroidery attachment in a cheap BIN listing that was overlooked because the attachment was mostly cut off in the picture!!!  Nobody, including the seller, knew what it was, and no wonder considering the pic.  I almost missed it.  And the chainstitch plates are pretty hard to hide in pics, but the spiders can get covered over pretty easily, so if you see a plate, look closer to see if there's a spider.  It's almost always there with the plate.  And now I'm giving away all my secrets and I'll never find anymore for a decent price, lol. 

But I need a case for my looper!  It was in a pile of other things and without its case, so one day maybe an empty looper case will show up somewhere, lol.

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Yes, we wants to see ALL the things!

I too have found attachments in bulk listings by seeing a part poke out that was only partly visible or recognizable.

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