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I recently picked up a Brother Pacesetter for my sister. It looked in excellent condition. I was in a rush the day I picked it up, and tested that the motor ran smoothly, but forgot to test it with a needle, thread, and fabric. I overlooked that the vendor had removed the needle. The smart ones in the room, or those who read the subject line, may see where this is going.

When I got it home, I saw that it came with only one bobbin in the bobbin case, which was bent. I therefore suspected something might be wrong, and after inserting the needle, I turned the wheel by hand instead of by pedal and motor. The needle struck the shuttle race. When I looked more closely, I could see several strike marks on the shuttle race thing.

I checked the manual. It does not say what kind of needle or bobbin the machine takes.
  1. Does it take Rotary Bobbins, L type?
  2. Does it take standard needles, or a different size of needle? 206x13?
  3. If it takes standard needles, does this problem signify the machine is mistimed?
I haven't looked yet for documentation for servicing / retiming the machine. The user's manual does not go into that detail.

EDITED TO ADD PICTURES:

The machine inside its suitcase:

IMG_2798.JPG 

The bobbin case looks in ok shape. The bobbin is bent.


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Opening the door to the bobbin area:
IMG_2784.JPG 

Can you see the needle-struck marks on the shuttle/race? To the right of the screw and just below the opening where it looks like the needle should enter.
IMG_2787.JPG 
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What a great find. I consider this to be the holy grail of Brother machines. It takes a standard 15x1 needle inserted flat to the rear, L style rotary bobbins and the bobbin case is the same as many industrial machines. I have 2 or 3 bobbin cases that have different numbers. I'm not at home right now but later today I'll send you the service manual so you can check the timing. Both of mine seem to run a little stiffer than other domestic machines, but I haven't had the time to use them enough to know whether it's that they need more cleaning inside or it's just the way they're built, they're so much more complicated inside than other machines. You definitely need to get some better bobbins though.

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What a great find. I consider this to be the holy grail of Brother machines. It takes a standard 15x1 needle inserted flat to the rear, L style rotary bobbins and the bobbin case is the same as many industrial machines. I have 2 or 3 bobbin cases that have different numbers. I'm not at home right now but later today I'll send you the service manual. Both of mine seem to run a little stiffer than other domestic machines, but I haven't had the time to use them enough to know whether it's that they need more cleaning inside or it's just the way they're built, they're so much more complicated inside than other machines. You definitely need to get some better bobbins though.

Cari


Thank you so much Cari! I have the user manual with the following cover, but if you have a service manual to share that will be super.

Perhaps I will order some L style rotary bobbins from Sew Classic unless anyone has a better recommendation.

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Sew Classic is my go-to place to order stuff. I was lucky enough to get a copy of the service manual with my blue machine so I always share it with other FZ2 owners.

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Hi Victrola,

Great find. Like Cari, I consider this machine to be THE Brother to collect. I have a blue one just like this too. Cari answered your questions, and she is the 'go to gal' for vintage Brother machines. She sent me the service manual as well and it made a huge difference in my confidence in servicing this machine. Also like Cari, I find that mine runs a bit stiffer than other vintage machines I care for, and I think it really has everything to do with how complex this thing is inside it's compact frame.

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Great looking machine! May I ask what it is about this particular Brother that makes it the one to collect? I love the looks of it, but what makes it so desirable so that I can justify the fact that I realllllly want one?
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Jeez, where do I start? It's a machine full of firsts for Brother. I'm sure Tom will correct me if I'm wrong about something or forget something but here goes - first domestic free arm, first domestic full rotary, first to have stretch stitches(beat Singer by 12 years), first to have the fancy stitches built in(no external cams), first domestic with speed control,....and now I'm drawing a blank for more but I'm sure there is more. They were only made for two years so there's not a lot of them out there but they're not rare.

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Cari, thanks for the info. Now I really, really want one! I will be keeping my eyes open....
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LindaL,

The turquoise ones show up on eBay from time to time. The white ones, a bit less often. I've been looking for a white one for years. Good luck on the hunt. They are fun little machines and way ahead of their time.

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LindaL,

The turquoise ones show up on eBay from time to time. The white ones, a bit less often. I've been looking for a white one for years. Good luck on the hunt. They are fun little machines and way ahead of their time.

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Thanks for the info, Tom. I had no idea they came in white, also,

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Thanks for the info, Tom. I had no idea they came in white, also,
Just look at my avatar.

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Just look at my avatar.

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Thanks, Cari - I see it now, didn't realize it was a Pacesetter!

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Originally Posted by victrola
I recently picked up a Brother Pacesetter for my sister. It looked in excellent condition. I was in a rush the day I picked it up, and tested that the motor ran smoothly, but forgot to test it with a needle, thread, and fabric. I overlooked that the vendor had removed the needle. The smart ones in the room, or those who read the subject line, may see where this is going.

When I got it home, I saw that it came with only one bobbin in the bobbin case, which was bent. I therefore suspected something might be wrong, and after inserting the needle, I turned the wheel by hand instead of by pedal and motor. The needle struck the shuttle race. When I looked more closely, I could see several strike marks on the shuttle race thing.

I checked the manual. It does not say what kind of needle or bobbin the machine takes.
  1. Does it take Rotary Bobbins, L type?
  2. Does it take standard needles, or a different size of needle? 206x13?
  3. If it takes standard needles, does this problem signify the machine is mistimed?
I haven't looked yet for documentation for servicing / retiming the machine. The user's manual does not go into that detail.

EDITED TO ADD PICTURES:

The machine inside its suitcase:

IMG_2798.JPG 

The bobbin case looks in ok shape. The bobbin is bent.


IMG_2785.JPG 
Opening the door to the bobbin area:
IMG_2784.JPG 

Can you see the needle-struck marks on the shuttle/race? To the right of the screw and just below the opening where it looks like the needle should enter.
IMG_2787.JPG 

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HI Cari,   What beautiful machine!  Any idea of the years were that it was available in the stores? Wait.... Oh no! Now I have another sewing machine to lust after! Could you possibly post a photo of the Pacesetter's portable case (closed up) so that I will have an image of the case in my memory?

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Maybe Tom or Victrola would be kind enough to post a pic of the case. My turquoise one came to me in a Pfaff case that I re united with a Pfaff machine and my white one is packed away and not easily accessible right now. It's kind of a light yellow-ish with turquoise trim, suitcase style case.

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Here's a picture of my case. Need to pull it out from under the guest bed and use it a bit. It's been pushed aside for a few months while I was on a European mid-century free-arm acquisition spree.

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Thanks Tom.

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Thanks Tom.

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Dragged her out from under the bed and gave her a full spa treatment. Running free and smooth now. Forgot just how good she sews.
Post spa treatment and then all snug back in her case. P1000574.jpg 
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Cari, this is an old thread, but by chance would you still be here and reading these message? If so, I would be really grateful for a copy of that service manual for the Brother Pacesetter . Fingers crossed!
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Cari, this is an old thread, but by chance would you still be here and reading these message? If so, I would be really grateful for a copy of that service manual for the Brother Pacesetter . Fingers crossed!


I sent it to you in a PM yesterday. [smile]

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I’m happy to say that I have gotten this machine cleaned and up and running, thanks to Cari’s manual. (THANKS!!!)


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Cari, I also would be thrilled for a service manual for the FZ-2!  You can see the one I found at the newest listing for the Denver area sewing machine group here:

https://www.victoriansweatshop.com/post/colorado-gettogether-9499001?pid=1312855292#post1312855292

I think this machine is very cool, and want to get it in top working order.

Dianne

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Cari, I also would be thrilled for a service manual for the FZ-2!  You can see the one I found at the newest listing for the Denver area sewing machine group here:

https://www.victoriansweatshop.com/post/colorado-gettogether-9499001?pid=1312855292#post1312855292

I think this machine is very cool, and want to get it in top working order.

Dianne


Haha, I just posted in that thread about the service manual.[smile]  PM coming your way........

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Diane, yay!!! Please keep us posted with photos!!!
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