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Hello Sweatshoppers,

I grew tired of bouncing between web pages to lookup Singer serial numbers so I created a free Android app to do it. Please give it a try when you get a chance. Feedback is welcome.

You can find it here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.picarious.singer

Or search for "Singer Serial DB" from the play store on your Android device.

I hope to put together an IPhone version soon.

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Installing it now
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This is awesome, thank you! 
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I know that the list is representative of the ISMACS list, but maybe you could add the Smithsonian data for the early numbers?
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Ken,

Thank you. Very fast!

Feedback: When  using "CLEAR", it would be nice for "keyboard" entry to popup, without clicking entry field.

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I know that the list is representative of the ISMACS list, but maybe you could add the Smithsonian data for the early numbers?


Are you referring to those found at http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/serial-numbers/singer-no-prefix-serial-numbers.html or is there other data?

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Are you referring to those found at http://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/serial-numbers/singer-no-prefix-serial-numbers.html or is there other data?

Janey


Those should be in already. Do you mean the serial numbers on page 112 of the Grace Rogers Cooper book The Invention of the Sewing Machine
here? https://www.gutenberg.org/files/32677/32677-h/32677-h.htm
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Ken,

Thank you. Very fast!

Feedback: When  using "CLEAR", it would be nice for "keyboard" entry to popup, without clicking entry field.


Good one. I'll see what I can do.
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Those should be in already. Do you mean the serial numbers on page 112 of the Grace Rogers Cooper book The Invention of the Sewing Machine
here? https://www.gutenberg.org/files/32677/32677-h/32677-h.htm


Yes, those

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Yes, those


Great. I'd like to add them but there is a bit of a quandary. In the earlier version of this app several people found it confusing that the info shown would change as you continue to add digits in the serial number typed. My solution is to avoid showing info until at least 6 digits are typed. With the older numbers there are no leading zeros (confirmed by Mike who asked for these too and owns a machine with a 5 digit serial number). This means I would need to show 1850 as the first two digits are type then possibly jump to 1851 or 1852 as the 3rd digit is typed, and jump again as the 4th is typed, etc.

If that doesn't make sense let me know and I'll try for a more detailed explanation. But if you understand what I mean please suggest a way to show these number without confusing folks. For example should I just show the table for these rather than looking up based on digits entered? Or maybe I add a "lookup" button when there is no alphabetic prefix? Or maybe you don't feel it would be confusing for the date to change as you type. Let me know your thoughts.

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Great. I'd like to add them but there is a bit of a quandary. In the earlier version of this app several people found it confusing that the info shown would change as you continue to add digits in the serial number typed. My solution is to avoid showing info until at least 6 digits are typed. With the older numbers there are no leading zeros (confirmed by Mike who asked for these too and owns a machine with a 5 digit serial number). This means I would need to show 1850 as the first two digits are type then possibly jump to 1851 or 1852 as the 3rd digit is typed, and jump again as the 4th is typed, etc.

If that doesn't make sense let me know and I'll try for a more detailed explanation. But if you understand what I mean please suggest a way to show these number without confusing folks. For example should I just show the table for these rather than looking up based on digits entered? Or maybe I add a "lookup" button when there is no alphabetic prefix? Or maybe you don't feel it would be confusing for the date to change as you type. Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,

Ken


Well I went ahead and added the additional data and changed the lookup to occur on each digit typed when you don't have an alphabetic prefix. Let me know if you find it confusing. Version 2.1 has this and should be available in the play store now.

Speaking of confusing... Regarding the discrepancies in these numbers versus the Singer DB numbers... my guess is that Cooper's numbers are "actual" manufacturing dates whereas the Singer DB numbers are simply the dates the serial numbers were allocated, and so Singer's year could differ from the manufacturing year. I simplified the app tables by taking Cooper's lowest 1871 serial number and using it with with Singer's highest 1871 serial number. Those serial numbers will be reported as 1871 in the app. Lower numbers use Cooper's table and higher numbers use Singer's table.

Please chime in on what I should have done instead. As it stands the app table looks like this:

fromtoyear
11001850
1019001851
90117111852
171225211853
252234001854
340142831855
428468471856
6848104771857
10478140711858
14072250241859
25025430001860
43001610001861
61001793961862
79397994261863
994271230581864
1230591493991865
1494001803601866
1803612234141867
2234152830441868
2830453698261869
3698274976601870
4976619139991871
9140009639991872
96400013499991873
135000019149991874
191500020349991875
235000021549991876
215500027649991877
276500029249991878
292500036799991879
368000039399991880
394000048899991881
489000054839991882
549400060049991883
600500065249991884
652500070464991885
704650074715991886
747160079189991887
791900086154991888
861550094369991889
943700098099991890
9810000106299991891
10630000113389991892
11339000119134991893
11913500124754991894
12475500133879991895
13388000140479991896
14048000149199991897
14920000158114991898
15811500168310991899
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I don't own a "device" of any kind, BUT as a "software guy", why not just accept all digits and do nothing until <RETURN> or similar is entered? What am I missing?
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I don't own a "device" of any kind, BUT as a "software guy", why not just accept all digits and do nothing until <RETURN> or similar is entered? What am I missing?


You aren't missing anything other than I preferred not have to take that extra step of pressing something additional to get the result. But I am no usability expert so I rely on the wisdom of the crowd. I'll mark that as one vote for "Or maybe I add a "lookup" button...". 
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Love the work, love the open minded approach!

I can see the advantage of have it calculate as you go, but I do think that the "lookup" button would make it more user friendly.

If you feel like getting froggy with it. you can add the "approximate day produced option. 
The challenge was calculating the working days minus standard US holidays

Production calculator clip.jpg 


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I vote for a "Lookup" button.  Eliminates ambiguity as to what's being shown.  But it would introduce the need for error messages.  Haven't tried your app yet, so you may already have those -- maybe it's a non-issue.  Should probably also grey out or clear previous results once the user starts typing, and the results no longer match the input field.

(Okay -- I'll go download now.  Shouldn't be offering opinions on a UI I haven't tried!)

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Okay -- just downloaded.  I no longer think the Lookup button would add value.  You don't display anything until a valid serial number has been entered, and you update as more digits are added.  Seems perfect, and simple. Nice job!  (I have version 2.1)  

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p.s. Thank you for not requiring network access, or access to all my phone calls, or all my files, or, or, or...   :-)

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Many thanks! Just downloaded so will feedback when I've had chance to use it.
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Awesome! Thank you Ken.
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I downloaded the app and have been playing with it. Works well and has a place on my home screen. FWIW I run a Pixel 3.

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... I hope to put together an IPhone version soon ...



The IPhone/IPad version is ready. It got approved for the app store quicker than I expected and you can find it here: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1493070456  

Version 1.0 had some display issues on smaller devices which I have fixed in 1.1. That should get deployed to the app store shortly.

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This is wonderful. We are a household of Apple & Macs so I am really hoping there may be that option in the future. In the meantime, I will be finding out what phones my VSM friends have so I can pester them to look it up for me and send me the results page. Or, I flip between websites the old fashioned way. thank you for this idea and the work you put into it though. 
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Ok, 

At some point i'd like to talk about expanding this to include ALL known dating lists.  That would be tremendous!

I'd help pay to offset the development expense!

ETA: I noticed in mine (Samsung 10e) the "Q" and the left half of the "u"  in Quantity is off the screen 
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Ken, just letting you know that when I posted this in some of the Facebook VSM groups, the people that have downloaded it are giving you a lot of positive and very appreciative comments. They love it. 

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At some point i'd like to talk about expanding this to include ALL known dating lists.  That would be tremendous!

I'd help pay to offset the development expense!


Was wondering if that would come come up. Luckily I accept vintage sewing machines as payment. Seriously though this was just a hobby project and I have others that will need to take priority for a couple of months then I can probably get back to it.

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ETA: I noticed in mine (Samsung 10e) the "Q" and the left half of the "u"  in Quantity is off the screen 


Added to the bug list. Dealing with 57 different screen sizes has turned out to be main challenge.
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Ken, just letting you know that when I posted this in some of the Facebook VSM groups, the people that have downloaded it are giving you a lot of positive and very appreciative comments. They love it. 


Thanks, glad it is useful
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Lovely - this is my new favourite app! Thank you for making it.
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Lovely - this is my new favourite app! Thank you for making it.


You're welcome. I'm glad you like it.

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Seeing the recent discussion of smartphone aversion I thought I'd let you know that I recently was able to deliver a browser-based version of the of the singer serial number app. You can find it here if you want to give it a try: https://picarious.com/singer/. No smartphone required.
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Thank you for this addition and indeed for the app as well! It is proving a godsent to me! I'm literally using it everytime I see an antique or vintage Singer whether in a shop, at a flea market or even in a home I'm visiting lol
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Very cool! The browser based is very nice! I entered AE(a random 6 digit number) and got 1937 221.
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Nice!  Thanks.
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Thank you for this addition and indeed for the app as well! It is proving a godsent to me! I'm literally using it everytime I see an antique or vintage Singer whether in a shop, at a flea market or even in a home I'm visiting lol


That is great and is the kind of use I was hoping to see. The phone version also works without any network coverage for those out-of-the-way places.
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Oh it works without any network coverage, does it? That is excellent news!  😉
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Thanks, KenG! This is great! Twice in the past week I've tried to look up serial numbers on my phone, without being able to get a good enough connection. Never again!
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I'm working on a spreadsheet to inventory my machines and I love your browser version - makes my work a lot easier!

Many thanks for developing this tool and sharing.
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