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My oldest daughter would like to make a doll quilt (because her big brother is making a quilt for his stuffed cat).  She's done some hand-sewing, but I don't think she has the focus to sew an entire quilt by hand, even a small one.  I know she's not ready to use an electric machine yet (my son uses my Singer Genie when he sews), and I don't have any handcranks, but there is a model 20 for sale somewhat near me for $65 (includes box and manual).  Would this be a good option for a beginning machine?
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The 24 x 1 needles are difficult to find and it is a chain stitch machine. Something to consider before you decide to buy. 
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I would consider an older singer 99 with an import handcrank.
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I would consider an older singer 99 with an import handcrank.


Do you have a specific year range that you consider to be "older"?

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I do have a 15 clone that I suppose could be converted to handcrank, if the solid wheel were replaced with a spoked one.  Would that be a good possibility?

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That even has reverse! The couple I have changed to spoked handwheel, the bobbin winder didn't work, but you can wind on a different one while you have it set up for her
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And if you want to try it, I have a spare spoked wheel I could send you
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And if you want to try it, I have a spare spoked wheel I could send you


Oh, that would be wonderful!  Then I would just have to find a crank.  How much do you want for it?

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Regarding 24x1 needles, those can be hard to find listed once in a while, but besides the Singer 20 Toy Sewing Machine, they were used on a variety of Singer 24 industrial machines and "toy" machines of other makes. They are still being made, as far as I know, and I have found them readily available on eBay and other auction sites. Look for them as 24x1 needles, not specifically for any machine. The computer will only look for what you ask it to look for. If you look for Singer 20 or Singer toy sewing machines needles little if anything will show up. In a pinch, serger needles (I forget the number or designation off hand) can be shortened on top with a Dremel tool to make the 24x1. I did that before I found they were readily available as an industrial needle. I use them more in my Singer 24-56 industrial than in any of my small chain stitch "toy" machines. 

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=24x1+needles&_sacat=0

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Oh, that would be wonderful!  Then I would just have to find a crank.  How much do you want for it?

Just pm me your address and I will send you one
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Sometimes smaller kids are intimidated by full size machines.  Also, a full size machine can be a bit of a reach for them. That's why 99s are so nice for kids.
This looks to be a good deal and it has reverse.  I can build a basic base for it if you decide to get it.  Not my machine.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/atq/d/seattle-1955-singer-sewing-machine/6928577546.html
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Sometimes smaller kids are intimidated by full size machines.  Also, a full size machine can be a bit of a reach for them. That's why 99s are so nice for kids.
This looks to be a good deal and it has reverse.  I can build a basic base for it if you decide to get it.  Not my machine.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/atq/d/seattle-1955-singer-sewing-machine/6928577546.html


Oh, wow.  Looks like a great deal!  I never go up to Seattle, though.  If it were in the Vancouver area, I'd be all over it!!  And it's very kind of you to offer to build a base, as well.

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The spoked wheel is on the way. If you find a 99, it will also fit on that.
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The spoked wheel is on the way. If you find a 99, it will also fit on that.


I'll look forward to receiving it!

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Oh, that would be wonderful!  Then I would just have to find a crank.  How much do you want for it?

Reproduction cranks are all over the internet.  They start at about $15.00.  Probably another $10 or so to ship.
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Reproduction cranks are all over the internet.  They start at about $15.00.  Probably another $10 or so to ship.


I purchased one on eBay, and it should be here next week.  [smile]

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I vote for the Singer 99. Small, simple to use, When something tangles, easy to fix, smooth running.
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I wouldn't let a 5 y.o. operate an "adult" hand crank machine unsupervised. I know that at that age I would have tried to get the crank spinning as fast as possible, just because. And those needles are sharp! Can you add a needle guard to a 15 or 99?

By comparison, toy machines don't have the weight or inertia to do much damage.

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Hello group,  My take on this is that it is fine with supervision and to put the cover on when it is not time for supervised sewing.  I belong to a facebook group for leather patchers because I'm recently working on some.  There is a person who said the only problem he has had with his was his 7 year old son cranked it as fast as possible causing everything to bind up and the timing to get knocked out of order as well as having a really rough time separating the knotted mess.  In that case it is likely hard to put a cover on it and it was not expected.  I think a cover with a simple lock should take care of that.....just my opinion.  Best regards, Mike
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Thanks for the concern.  She won't be operating it unsupervised, and I doubt she would try to do something like that.  I'll be sure to keep an eye on things.
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The wheel and crank both just arrived, so I get to work on the 15 clone today.  [smile]  I'm going to go ahead and convert the machine that I have and see how she does with it, but I'll keep the 99 idea in mind if the Home Mark doesn't work out.  Thanks for all your help, everyone!!
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