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Cowgirl

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So, wise ones, I need some input from you all.  I have finally gotten around to doing more than admiring the handcranks that I bought last year from hilltophomesteader.  Decided to start with the 1895 Singer 28.  Gently cleaned up, I think it looks great.  However, when I tried to put a shuttle in it, the ones I have don't fit in this machine.  They go right into the others (1904, 1907).

A little time spent on the internet yields the fact that early 27s used an 8227 shuttle instead of the 8327 that I have, so I am guessing maybe this machine takes one of those instead.  Are they out there to find?  Does anybody have one they'd part with?  Am I off track here?

Kind of disappointed, I was all set to try her out. 

All cleaned up and no way to sew....

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Ok, me again, after a night to sleep on it. Got out the 1892 and the shuttle goes right in. Since they look the same, took some pictures to compare. There is definitely a difference in the distance from the race, and the reason the shuttle won’t go in is it falls away from the carrier and slips down into the machine. Reason? Not sure. Any input appreciated.

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Farmer John

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From under the bed, loosen the screw that holds the shuttle carrier to the swing arm.  The carrier will slide out to set the proper clearance of the shuttle to the race...about the thickness of a paper match book cover.
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Cowgirl

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Thanks, Farmer John. Only partially successful with this. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of adjustment available as there is a hole that the screw goes into. The whole assembly feels looser than it should be, too. Whether it is something wrong or just wear is unclear at this point. One nice thing about having multiples of this machine is having something to compare to.

I freely admit to being a beginner, and have never considered myself mechanically minded, but I find each machine I work on has something to teach me. I’ll keep at it and hopefully figure it out.
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Reviewing the photos in your post #2, I can see that in the left hand photo that the shuttle carrier is situated far back on the end of the swing arm when compared to the right hand photo.  I would suggest removing the shuttle carrier entirely and cleaning the mating areas involved.  There should be enough adjustment to actually jam the shuttle tightly against the race.
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The shuttle carrier is indeed too far away from the race. The carrier sits in a groove on the top of the carrier arm and is held in place by the screw from the bottom up through the arm into the threaded portion of the carrier. The carrier, as John mentioned, is able to move to and from the race for adjustment. 

I have read that the thickness of a piece of bond paper is a quick method to set the carrier to the race. A match book cover might be a bit much, in my opinion (and we know what opinions are like) but the main thing is to have it loose enough on the race to allow for smooth movement and a layer of sewing machine oil (which the shuttle actually should be riding on, not the race itself) but close enough to easily pick up the loop of upper thread. This applies to virtually all vibrating shuttle machines. 

The 127 and 128 were the later models of this machine and virtually all of the information in the adjusters manual will apply to the earlier models 27 and 28. Here is the manual for you. 

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Cowgirl

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Thanks, Bruce, I was wishing for an adjusters manual, but wasn't sure 127-128 would be the same.  Back to work this afternoon to see what I can do.
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Cowgirl, the shuttle to race clearance is depicted  on page 11 and 12 of the Singer adjuster's manual that Bruce has kindly provided.  I just measured a paper match book cover at exactly .015 inches.  Always eager to learn something new, I made a study of bond  paper.  Standard thicknesses of # 16  is .0032, while #105 is .0175, with all thicknesses in between.  As long as you know the thickness of the paper you are using, it can always be folded to get the desired thickness, if a feeler gauge is not available.
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Cowgirl

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Sat down this afternoon, removed carrier (again) and really cleaned everything out until it was shiny.  Got it back together and went through the steps in the adjuster's manual for setting and timing.  In the end, I had to take the carrier out and do some bending - it just wasn't keeping the shuttle in position well enough.  Always a little hesitant to start bending things, but it wasn't going to sew as is, so figured I had just as well try it.  Reset the shuttle again, took a deep breath, threaded it up, and...

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It sews!  Still feels like there is more movement of the shuttle than there should be, but at this point I am going to call it good enough and move on to another machine.  Thanks for your help!  And I'll undoubtedly be back for more! 

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Remember that the shuttle has to pass through the loop formed by the needle so loose is not necessarily bad. As long as there is no question that the point is going to go into the loop to start with the slack is just a sound thing. And those can be bent slightly for other adjustments.
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Thanks, Steve. I think my biggest problem with it is the little Wards Brunswick vs treadle I’ve been sewing on lately. The soft little “snick snick”, accompanied by the double jump of the vs and the quiet thump of the treadle - - makes the Singer seem loud and klunky.

I have 3 more of these to clean up and get sewing, so will see how they compare, then see if I feel the need to go back and tweek this one.
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