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[smile] The day has finally arrived.  I still have things to do with it, but at least I have cleaned enough to test it a bit.  Thank you, Jon (jlhmnj) for your great handy work at making some additional bobbins for my oldest machine.  I used one that you made rather than the original one that came with it.

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I used Coats & Clark size 50 thread and a size 5 Domestic notched top needle (that I also got from Jon -- a good resource [wink]).

I've got some leather to put under the bobbin winder and the hinge pin holders and some new screws.  I used a couple/few layers of felt under the bobbin winder. 

I'd like to make a different back slide plate.  I think the back slide plate is a little wider than the front as the the front one doesn't catch in the back.  I made one out of a thinner piece that was a little wider to hold the narrower one on. It had been all one piece when it was first made out of a scrap of aluminum that we had at work.  Cut the hole first and then sheared the width to match the needle plate.

Trying to figure out what I actually want to sew with it.  At least I know that it stitches.  AND I can insert a round shank needle and have it sew. Or at least, I did today.

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The first stitches are in the lower right and I loosened the top tension and lengthened the stitch a bit later.

Definitely is a good, exhilarating feeling to see it make stitches.

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Oh, yes! Stitches on both sides, with no loops or nubs,you did it!
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very very nice!!!!  Love that Weed machine!!!!
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Janey, it turned out beautiful!  So excited to see the pics of it done and stitching.  You poured so much work into that machine and we all learned a lot by you sharing with us.  I  am so happy for you.  
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Such a beautiful machine to sew on! Such amazing work getting it to glow like that! Extremely impressive!
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I'll tell you that we'd would give my Grover & Baker a run for its money in a beauty contest
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Janey,  that's one beautiful machine!  Congratulations on getting it to sew!  It would take the title in almost any sewing machine beauty contest.  Jeanette
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I agree! Such a pretty machine!
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Wow that's a beauty!  That has to be so fun stitching on a machine like that!  Congrats on getting it sewing again.  [thumb]
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I'll tell you that we'd would give my Grover & Baker a run for its money in a beauty contest


I respectfully disagree,  Steve, that Grover & Baker would win hands down, no doubt in my mind about that.  The Grover & Baker is in a whole lot better condition, with more original parts and more complete on top of being absolutely gorgeous.  

Thank you all.

I must have had beginner's luck when I set the shuttle tension, as I only need to adjust the top tension for different fabrics.  I should have filled the bobbin.  I was playing with some other fabrics - like some cotton/poly and even some windbreaker nylon.  I need to do some more testing on that but I ran out of bobbin thread.  

I still need to "play" with it some more.  In addition to getting better at winding the bobbin, inserting it in the shuttle (threaded out, in, over, out, in around and out again) and actually treadling, I need to work on remembering where the presser bar lifter is and actually coordinating my head, hand and feet movements to work together.  I have turned the hand wheel and sometimes the treadle will start and sometimes it won't.  I think sometimes it works when I can get the treadle going, but the hand wheel isn't but then when I start the hand wheel it will  start sewing.  

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Janey,

Take a look at relationship between the needlebar and the position of the pitman rod when it is at top and bottom of the rotation.

You can "pre-set" the position so that when the needlebar is up that the pitman is NOT at the exact top or bottom.  (note: there is usually a 3 to 1 ratio or so between the drive wheel and the machine)

Since we tend to stop when the needlebar is up, as long as the pitman is not at the top or bottom it will take off on the next press..

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Take a look at relationship between the needlebar and the position of the pitman rod when it is at top and bottom of the rotation.

You can "pre-set" the position so that when the needlebar is up that the pitman is NOT at the exact top or bottom.  (note: there is usually a 3 to 1 ratio or so between the drive wheel and the machine)

Since we tend to stop when the needlebar is up, as long as the pitman is not at the top or bottom it will take off on the next press..


Thank you for this tip.  I think I need to tighten the "belt" (actually, oxygen tubing for right now).  I played a little last night with it unthreaded and realized that when I put a little pressure on the tubing (taking up the slack) that I could get the hand wheel and flywheel to move at the the same time.  I will shorten it and try again.  So I'm thinking that if one wanted to they could set it so that the needle bar could be in the lowest position as well?  This would come in handy if one was stitching long seams or turning a lot of corners.

When I was tightening the brace to the leg irons, I had it laying on the floor (90 degrees from usable position) I noticed that the oil hole in the hub of the flywheel rotated toward the ceiling.  When the irons are upright the hole is on the top (towards the ceiling).  So I see that the treadle has a "default" position.  [wink]

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If you're packing a sewing machine to ship?  Don't do this.  (For the fainthearted, look away.  Broken machine ahead.)

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(The delivery guy put it on the porch and took off before I could see the opposite side of the box was split.)

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22 lb small box, inside a very much bigger box, with NO padding to keep it from slamming around in there.

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It didn't stand a chance.

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I don't supposed anyone has a Standard Slim handwheel part I could buy?  [bawl]
(For all I know, there may be other damage.  I was so upset, I had to put it down and walk away.)

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truly hurts the heart.....  you have my sympathies.

I would hope you are getting a full refund on this!!

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I don't think I'm going to bother.  I'd have to pay $30 shipping to send it back in order to get the refund.  So it's either spend $30 shipping plus $50 for the machine = $80, and at least have the rest of it for a parts machine (or maybe find someone who has a spare crank they'd sell me).  Or spend $30 shipping + $30 to ship it back = $60, and have nothing to show for it.

It just hurts to see a fine old machine brutalized like this.

I'm DEFINITELY leaving negative feedback, though.  You shouldn't sell heavy objects if you're not going to take the responsibility to package it safely.  I know packaging is expensive, but it's part of the responsibility.
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That's terrible! What a shame! I've had packages like that though, too - one was a $750 brand new elliptical machine - looked like the box had been thrown around by bears! 

I wonder if a metalworker could somehow weld the wheel back together? Might work at least until you could get a replacement.  

I'm truly sorry this happened to you [frown]

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Margaret - unfortunately, you can braze cast iron but not weld it. (Brazing is kinda like soldering with brass instead of tin)  the trapped gasses in cast metal expand under the heat and things get really exciting.


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I am leaving work in a few to drive across the bay to South SF to pick up a batch of 5 machines!!  

(I believe NONE of them are in my collections time frame, but they'll be good for other folks)


Pics when I return

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Thank you!

I feel a bit silly.  I was so excited, I even bought some accessories online to go with it, and went to 4 different hardware and autoparts stores to get all the recommended cleaning supplies, which weren't cheap.  I feel a bit like I'm all dressed up with noplace to go.

I suppose I should try refinishing it, anyway.  Maybe I'll find a part somewhere in the meantime.

ETA:Finally got up the courage to look.  Part of the crank handwheel is missing entirely, it must have fallen out of the box.  And there are a whole bunch of new chips right in the middle of the machine bed, straight through the central decal, and all the way down to the metal. 

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All those white spots?  Chipped off paint from the crank handwheel pieces bouncing around in the box.  Those marks weren't there in the sales photo the seller posted of the medallion.

I don't even have words.

ETA: to correct the name of the part that I was calling the wrong thing; thanks to the Mod for the correction.


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If this was an eBay purchase I'd file a claim through purchase protection - the pictures alone should be enough to get you a refund of the purchase and shipping charges. It's worked for me, especially when something is not easily replaced and the seller/shipper is blatantly negligent. You won't have to pay for return shipping either.  I am very sorry for your experience and am physically ill from viewing the pictures.
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I am leaving work in a few to drive across the bay to South SF to pick up a batch of 5 machines!!  

(I believe NONE of them are in my collections time frame, but they'll be good for other folks)


Pics when I return



25 miles away, 2.5 hours round trip drive......  (Californians have two ways to drive in the rain, terrified and NASCAR)

Not bad for $150 and ONE is actually in my timeframe

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Steve, sending you a PM.

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I am leaving work in a few to drive across the bay to South SF to pick up a batch of 5 machines!!  

(I believe NONE of them are in my collections time frame, but they'll be good for other folks)


Pics when I return


Crap!  I knew I should've got ahold of you earlier!  I've been contemplating a machine in south SF.  Was even thinking of asking you to take a look since your passing through on your way north!  Ah well!  I look forward to seeing what you found.


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Nice machines!  It looks like you may have already bought the one I was looking at!  Did you get the Superba?
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Those are beautiful machines, congratulations! 

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If this was an eBay purchase I'd file a claim through purchase protection - the pictures alone should be enough to get you a refund of the purchase and shipping charges. It's worked for me, especially when something is not easily replaced and the seller/shipper is blatantly negligent. You won't have to pay for return shipping either.  I am very sorry for your experience and am physically ill from viewing the pictures.


Thanks, I'll definitely look into that. 

I sent the seller a strongly worded comment already, letting them know I was going to leave negative feedback and why.  Haven't had a chance to see if they responded yet.  But I will definitely be letting someone at Ebay know if the response is anything less than completely apologetic.

ETA: The seller offered to refund my money.  They said UPS packed it for them.  Unbelievably poor job.  The driver today bolted before I could even finish getting the door open.  Once I opened the box, I understood why.
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Andy, I am so sorry your machine ended up being so severely damaged.  I can't believe UPS was that careless, but it wouldn't be the first time that's happened.  Still, I'm very sorry that your machine was lost in such a stupid, careless manner!  Jeanette
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ETA: The seller offered to refund my money.  They said UPS packed it for them.  Unbelievably poor job.  The driver today bolted before I could even finish getting the door open.  Once I opened the box, I understood why.


UGH.  What a heartbreak.  [frown]  I'm glad the seller has offered to refund your money.  Does that mean the shipping too?  Still, what a huge disappointment to have such damage to the machine.

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Christy - Yes, this was the "singer supurba" LOL  Singer never made a Supurba...  It's german.

It has the post for the handcrank but the handcrank itself is missing.

Sorry, but it came with the shuttle and bobbin as well. SHARP shuttle point

Cleaned up really nice, moves ok, will move great.
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the 301 also.  the Presserfoot is stuck up (not arrogant, just gravitationaly challenged)

Put it actually does run!!!! and quiet.

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odd number...
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pretty clean inside considering
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1st 128 missing back pillar plate and the screw that holds the winder and guard to machine
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2nd 128
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and it's motor
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and finally the 99
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If the 301 is gravitationally challenged, I'd say the 99 is cleanliness challenged! Not a bad little machine, though, although I've found that the tension assembly interferes with my view of the stitching. I don't notice that as much on my FW - maybe the height of the machine.

Btw, I do lust after that 301! You got all those for $150? What a deal!

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Christy - Yes, this was the "singer supurba" LOL  Singer never made a Supurba...  It's german.

It has the post for the handcrank but the handcrank itself is missing.

Sorry, but it came with the shuttle and bobbin as well. SHARP shuttle point

Cleaned up really nice, moves ok, will move great.
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/QUOTE]  Lucky you!  I had just spoken to Phillip this morning, but my grandson's been sick so there was no way to get down to SF before Sunday for me.  I told hubby it was looking like you got it, and said I was sure you'd be eager to get cleaning on it right away!  It looks like I was right!

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If it makes you feel better I spoke to him about the day he posted it which was one or two days ago and then yesterday he added the other machines to the deal and we started negotiating the best deal but all of that was yesterday.
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Mizkaki dated the 99 for me. July 8, 1926 one of 15000. Cool

That one is now spoken for

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Thanks, everyone, for the sympathy!  It's nice to have a spot where everyone understands exactly how distraught I was to see what was done to this poor machine.

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UGH.  What a heartbreak.  [frown]  I'm glad the seller has offered to refund your money.  Does that mean the shipping too?  Still, what a huge disappointment to have such damage to the machine.


I don't know about the shipping costs.  I suspect so, but I didn't ask.  Seemed a bad time to rub salt in the wound for the seller... now they're out money instead of me.  No one wins.  [frown]

I have a treadle cabinet for this machine so I'm hoping that, once I get it cleaned up, I can still put it in the cabinet and use it with the treadle while I'm hunting down a new handwheel.  If it didn't sustain any damage to the working bits banging around in the UPS truck, that is.  I hope I'll know more this weekend, once I get time to start oiling and cleaning things.

It won't be exactly decorative, with that jagged wheel remnant on there.  But I'm not giving up hope that this little machine can someday be back to work.  It's some comfort that the finish wasn't perfect to start with.  I'm not sure what kind of vapors I'd be having if this had started out in mint condition.
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I don't know about the shipping costs.  I suspect so, but I didn't ask.  Seemed a bad time to rub salt in the wound for the seller... now they're out money instead of me.  No one wins.  [frown]
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If the seller really paid UPS to pack that machine, then UPS would reimburse them for the shipping cost and the cost of the item. You've supplied the seller with great photographic evidence. However, I highly doubt UPS did such a bad job. It's pathetic.

https://www.theupsstore.com/about/pack-ship-guarantee

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I'd be suspicious that UPS would pack it like that - they don't generally re-use boxes.  Either way though, if you're getting your money back, that's good.  Not as good as getting the machine in good condition, though!!

I had a machine get bashed up in shipping too.  Fortunately the case took the brunt of the damage, and I got 2/3rds of my money back (incl. shipping)...but I'd rather have paid full price and had the whole thing arrive in good shape.

Such a waste.  [frown]

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I don't know yet.  The bobbin and case are in there, which is a relief.  It was sold "As Is", and the photos didn't show that area, so I was a bit worried about that.  They're pretty dirty, though, so I'd want to get everything cleaned up a bit before I do more than a few stitches.

The manual I printed out said that the machine should only be used with matching thread on the spool and in the bobbin, and the thread that was on the bobbin was far thinner than anything I have in house, so I want to take that off and wind a new bobbin full today before I thread it up and see what's what. 

The parts all still move, but I think it's in need of a thorough oiling before anything else.

I'll keep you posted.

ETA:  I can still turn the handwheel remnants, and the needle goes up and down.  If that tells you anything useful about its prospects.  Cleaning and testing won't happen until after work tonight.
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I'd be suspicious that UPS would pack it like that - they don't generally re-use boxes. 


Yeah, I was a bit skeptical of that explanation myself. But if the seller wanted to save face a bit while still refunding my money, I wasn't going to start pointing fingers.

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...but I'd rather have paid full price and had the whole thing arrive in good shape.

Such a waste.  [frown]


My sentiments exactly.  It's just so sad that it survived this long, just to get smashed up now.


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AndyL I think I have a short term solution. Put a steering wheel spinner on the good part of your wheel and you should be able to hand turn it with out getting nicked. I have an old Standard and it now has a spider thanks to Glenn and Jon. Mom took to it like a duck to water. I just had a spinner on it and we put grow tucks in little girl dresses, etc. Unless the shaft is bent you should be able to use it that way.if it sews at all. I found spinner knobs in the go faster department of the automotive store. Some kinds work better than others depending on the wheel and how much clearance you have. They are also called tractor steering wheel spinner knobs. You may have get the cheesy strap on kind.
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Christy - Yes, this was the "singer supurba" LOL  Singer never made a Supurba...  It's german.

It has the post for the handcrank but the handcrank itself is missing.

Sorry, but it came with the shuttle and bobbin as well. SHARP shuttle point

Cleaned up really nice, moves ok, will move great.
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Congratulations to that catch. I do love those MOP-inlays. I'ts been some time since I had seen a Wertheim pop up to buy. I imagine it's even harder in the states and for that price - priceless! So again, congratulations! :-)

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AndyL I think I have a short term solution. Put a steering wheel spinner on the good part of your wheel and you should be able to hand turn it with out getting nicked.


What a great idea! 

It's pouring today, so getting into the garage to start cleaning it up may have to wait until the weather's better.  I'd rather work on it with the door open, and the way the driveway's graded, too much rain bounces in to leave it open in heavy rain.

Rain unusual enough for us that I'm sure things will be dry enough to get started soon.
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If you treadle with it the knob would maybe save your fingers
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andyl - So you can know that you are not alone...

This machine arrived last year broken like this.  The seller specifically ignored my instructions because "I ship a lot of stuff, I know what i'm doing"
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Here is the kicker.  This is the rarest machine I own.  NOBODY has been able to figure how who made it let alone what model or date....
Looks like two or three different makes, but not like any one of them completely.

TODAY I was able to get myself to work with it long enough to attempt a fix.  We'll know in 48 hours if it will work. (JB Weld)

Here it is as of 10 minutes ago
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That's the worst part of poor shipping - the loss of a piece of history.  People don't seem to realize (care?) that once it's gone, it's GONE!  No doubt we've all got our sob stories....here's one of mine.
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andyl - So you can know that you are not alone...

"I ship a lot of stuff, I know what i'm doing"


Famous last words! 

Oh, how sickening!  I would so much rather be the only one this happened to.

I hope your fix works!


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